{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6759", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6759, "subject": "Urth is a colonised planet", "messages": 16, "voices": 8, "first": "2017-09-26T15:57:48+00:00", "last": "2017-09-30T16:07:52+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<5ed52bfa-d521-5a0d-2f9e-118c9f8692c5@bindweed.com>", "from": { "name": "Gerry Quinn", "address": "gerry at bindweed.com" }, "date": "2017-09-26T15:57:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This just occurred to me as I was talking about _BOTNS_ in another venue.\n\nWe often talk about _FHOC_ as a discussion of colonisation, which of \ncourse it is.\n\nBut Urth in Severian's time is surely a colonised planet. What brought \nit home to me was that I referred to visiting aliens, and I subsequently \nremembered they were called cacogens by the poeple of the Commonwealth. \nBut in fact they are the alien ruling class, enacting their decrees via \nthe local aristocracy.\n\nUrth has a glorious history, of course - Typhon conquered many star \nsystems. But now it has been brought to heel.\n\n- Gerry Quinn" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2E4853F3-10E8-4204-B621-48048D9D8134@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2017-09-26T21:32:09+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "<5ed52bfa-d521-5a0d-2f9e-118c9f8692c5@bindweed.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "But the idea of colonisation involves settlers. \n\nNo dia 26/09/2017, ?s 16:55, Gerry Quinn escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "This just occurred to me as I was talking about _BOTNS_ in another venue.\n\nWe often talk about _FHOC_ as a discussion of colonisation, which of course it is.\n\nBut Urth in Severian's time is surely a colonised planet. What brought it home to me was that I referred to visiting aliens, and I subsequently remembered they were called cacogens by the poeple of the Commonwealth. But in fact they are the alien ruling class, enacting their decrees via the local aristocracy.\n\nUrth has a glorious history, of course - Typhon conquered many star systems. But now it has been brought to heel.\n\n- Gerry Quinn\n\n\n---\nThis email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.\nhttps://www.avast.com/antivirus\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<24e0ee4e-0e50-1060-dfb9-92423863ae75@bindweed.com>", "from": { "name": "Gerry Quinn", "address": "gerry at bindweed.com" }, "date": "2017-09-27T02:52:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "<2E4853F3-10E8-4204-B621-48048D9D8134@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 26/09/2017 22:32, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:\nBut the idea of colonisation involves settlers." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "[damn, replied to just you instead of list - you will get this twice]\n\nYou're right, in that the very meaning of the word seems to include \nsettlers. But another way of looking at it is to think of the alien \noverlords as using the conquered territory to their perceived best \nadvantage, regardless of the details of how they control it.\n\nThere are no farms on Urth worked by human serfs. (Or ARE there? Would \nwe even be told?)? But the economy is collapsed, and almost all human \nefforts are expended battling the undersea monsters with their \nunacceptable ideas. The rest are spent battling the Ascian resistance . \nThe local rulers do what the aliens tell them, however crazy and \nirrelevant.\n\n- Gerry Quinn" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "No dia 26/09/2017, ?s 16:55, Gerry Quinn escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "This just occurred to me as I was talking about _BOTNS_ in another venue.\n\nWe often talk about _FHOC_ as a discussion of colonisation, which of course it is.\n\nBut Urth in Severian's time is surely a colonised planet. What brought it home to me was that I referred to visiting aliens, and I subsequently remembered they were called cacogens by the poeple of the Commonwealth. But in fact they are the alien ruling class, enacting their decrees via the local aristocracy.\n\nUrth has a glorious history, of course - Typhon conquered many star systems. But now it has been brought to heel.\n\n- Gerry Quinn\n\n\n---\nThis email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.\nhttps://www.avast.com/antivirus\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4737E17E7C8C3C4A8B5C1CE5346371D48A6EB6BE@EXCH06S.adqimr.ad.lan>", "from": { "name": "David Duffy", "address": "david.duffy at qimrberghofer.edu.au" }, "date": "2017-09-27T04:12:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "<24e0ee4e-0e50-1060-dfb9-92423863ae75@bindweed.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nah, just ordinary imperialism.\n________________________________________\nFrom: Urth [urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] on behalf of Gerry Quinn [gerry at bindweed.com]\nSent: Wednesday, 27 September 2017 12:49 PM\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 26/09/2017 22:32, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:\nBut the idea of colonisation involves settlers." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "[damn, replied to just you instead of list - you will get this twice]\n\nYou're right, in that the very meaning of the word seems to include\nsettlers. But another way of looking at it is to think of the alien\noverlords as using the conquered territory to their perceived best\nadvantage, regardless of the details of how they control it.\n\nThere are no farms on Urth worked by human serfs. (Or ARE there? Would\nwe even be told?) But the economy is collapsed, and almost all human\nefforts are expended battling the undersea monsters with their\nunacceptable ideas. The rest are spent battling the Ascian resistance .\nThe local rulers do what the aliens tell them, however crazy and\nirrelevant.\n\n- Gerry Quinn" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "No dia 26/09/2017, ?s 16:55, Gerry Quinn escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "This just occurred to me as I was talking about _BOTNS_ in another venue.\n\nWe often talk about _FHOC_ as a discussion of colonisation, which of course it is.\n\nBut Urth in Severian's time is surely a colonised planet. What brought it home to me was that I referred to visiting aliens, and I subsequently remembered they were called cacogens by the poeple of the Commonwealth. But in fact they are the alien ruling class, enacting their decrees via the local aristocracy.\n\nUrth has a glorious history, of course - Typhon conquered many star systems. But now it has been brought to heel.\n\n- Gerry Quinn\n\n\n---\nThis email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.\nhttps://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c\u0012420&d=4JLL2d16c8J58ZEPm5tXppeMxSMOA0AwkenamTq8AQ&u=https%3a%2f%2fwww%2eavast%2ecom%2fantivirus\n\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c\u0012420&d=4JLL2d16c8J58ZEPm5tXppeMxSMOA0Awkb3anzzsAw&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eurth%2enet\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c\u0012420&d=4JLL2d16c8J58ZEPm5tXppeMxSMOA0Awkb3anzzsAw&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eurth%2enet" } ] }, { "message_id": "<689a2f41-bdf6-0d27-b050-23bec8620e9b@casema.nl>", "from": { "name": "Ab de Vos", "address": "foxyab at casema.nl" }, "date": "2017-09-27T21:12:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "<24e0ee4e-0e50-1060-dfb9-92423863ae75@bindweed.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Probably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them \nlike the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think. \nUrth's former glory is destined to be renewed and ultimately leading to \nYesod and higher levels of being mankind being the \"chosen race\". At \nleast this is how I interpret Peter Wright.\n\n\nOp 27-9-2017 om 04:49 schreef Gerry Quinn:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 26/09/2017 22:32, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "But the idea of colonisation involves settlers." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "[damn, replied to just you instead of list - you will get this twice]\n\nYou're right, in that the very meaning of the word seems to include \nsettlers. But another way of looking at it is to think of the alien \noverlords as using the conquered territory to their perceived best \nadvantage, regardless of the details of how they control it.\n\nThere are no farms on Urth worked by human serfs. (Or ARE there? \nWould we even be told?)? But the economy is collapsed, and almost all \nhuman efforts are expended battling the undersea monsters with their \nunacceptable ideas. The rest are spent battling the Ascian resistance \n. The local rulers do what the aliens tell them, however crazy and \nirrelevant.\n\n- Gerry Quinn" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "No dia 26/09/2017, ?s 16:55, Gerry Quinn escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "This just occurred to me as I was talking about _BOTNS_ in another \nvenue.\n\nWe often talk about _FHOC_ as a discussion of colonisation, which of \ncourse it is.\n\nBut Urth in Severian's time is surely a colonised planet. What \nbrought it home to me was that I referred to visiting aliens, and I \nsubsequently remembered they were called cacogens by the poeple of \nthe Commonwealth. But in fact they are the alien ruling class, \nenacting their decrees via the local aristocracy.\n\nUrth has a glorious history, of course - Typhon conquered many star \nsystems. But now it has been brought to heel.\n\n- Gerry Quinn\n\n\n---\nThis email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.\nhttps://www.avast.com/antivirus\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4f0bb02f-4bb8-8c66-0add-54fb5897a6d0@casema.nl>", "from": { "name": "Ab de Vos", "address": "foxyab at casema.nl" }, "date": "2017-09-29T17:18:36+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "<689a2f41-bdf6-0d27-b050-23bec8620e9b@casema.nl>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "They may be colonists in the sense of random settlers in another \ncountry, like ex-pats. But not in the sense of a imperialistic \ncolonization scheme such as in Cerberus. There is I believe no \nindication that the autarch is subjected to the kakogens which would \nhave pointed to a foreign power ruling. A foreign power ruling \nindigenous elites is a sure sign of colonization, like the Dutch East \nIndies.\n\nBy the way. Yesterday I read in a piece about Lovecraft that Urth means? \n'fate' and also 'turn' or 'bend' in Old Norse. The word 'weird' is \nderived from it. I was always thinking 'urth' was a simple \nbastardization of earth. Anybody knew this? It was a surprise to me. \nFate and the turning of deep time.\n\n\n\n-------- Doorgestuurd bericht --------\nOnderwerp: \tRe: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet\nDatum: \tFri, 29 Sep 2017 09:15:32 -0500\nVan: \tJeffery Wilson clueland.com \nAan: \tAb de Vos " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 9/27/2017 4:12 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:\nProbably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them \nlike the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Rather it strikes me that Abaia's undines are indeed colonists, or among\nthem. It's not clear if they are beings who have swum here across space,\nor Urthly humans who were given such power with their collossal size." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeffery Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nRIP - A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://clueland.com/demo/interact/ >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2017-09-29T17:22:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "<4f0bb02f-4bb8-8c66-0add-54fb5897a6d0@casema.nl>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes, Urth is one of the three Norns - as are the names given to the future\nMars and Venus in tBotNS (Verthandi and ... duh, something else...).\n\nAnd there is, I think, some evidence that the cacogens are telling the Old\nAutarch what to do...at least, it looks that way to me in Book Two.\n\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes\n\nThe spatula is the natural enemy of the hypothalamus." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Ab de Vos wrote:\nThey may be colonists in the sense of random settlers in another country,\nlike ex-pats. But not in the sense of a imperialistic colonization scheme\nsuch as in Cerberus. There is I believe no indication that the autarch is\nsubjected to the kakogens which would have pointed to a foreign power\nruling. A foreign power ruling indigenous elites is a sure sign of\ncolonization, like the Dutch East Indies.\n\nBy the way. Yesterday I read in a piece about Lovecraft that Urth means\n'fate' and also 'turn' or 'bend' in Old Norse. The word 'weird' is derived\nfrom it. I was always thinking 'urth' was a simple bastardization of earth.\nAnybody knew this? It was a surprise to me. Fate and the turning of deep\ntime.\n\n\n-------- Doorgestuurd bericht --------\nOnderwerp: Re: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet\nDatum: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:15:32 -0500\nVan: Jeffery Wilson clueland.com \n\nAan: Ab de Vos \n\nOn 9/27/2017 4:12 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Probably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them\nlike the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Rather it strikes me that Abaia's undines are indeed colonists, or among\nthem. It's not clear if they are beings who have swum here across space,\nor Urthly humans who were given such power with their collossal size.\n\n--\nJeffery Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nRIP - A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab< http://clueland.com/demo/interact/ > \n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2017-09-29T17:24:32+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "<4f0bb02f-4bb8-8c66-0add-54fb5897a6d0@casema.nl>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes, well known the planets were named for Norns, urth, skald, verthandi." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Friday, September 29, 2017, Ab de Vos wrote:\nThey may be colonists in the sense of random settlers in another country,\nlike ex-pats. But not in the sense of a imperialistic colonization scheme\nsuch as in Cerberus. There is I believe no indication that the autarch is\nsubjected to the kakogens which would have pointed to a foreign power\nruling. A foreign power ruling indigenous elites is a sure sign of\ncolonization, like the Dutch East Indies.\n\nBy the way. Yesterday I read in a piece about Lovecraft that Urth means\n'fate' and also 'turn' or 'bend' in Old Norse. The word 'weird' is derived\nfrom it. I was always thinking 'urth' was a simple bastardization of earth.\nAnybody knew this? It was a surprise to me. Fate and the turning of deep\ntime.\n\n\n-------- Doorgestuurd bericht --------\nOnderwerp: Re: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet\nDatum: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:15:32 -0500\nVan: Jeffery Wilson clueland.com \n\nAan: Ab de Vos \n\n\nOn 9/27/2017 4:12 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Probably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them\nlike the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Rather it strikes me that Abaia's undines are indeed colonists, or among\nthem. It's not clear if they are beings who have swum here across space,\nor Urthly humans who were given such power with their collossal size.\n\n--\nJeffery Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nRIP - A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab< http://clueland.com/demo/interact/ > " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Ab de Vos", "address": "foxyab at casema.nl" }, "date": "2017-09-29T17:27:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Putting my hands on my mouth again.\n\n\nOp 29-9-2017 om 19:24 schreef Marc Aramini:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Yes, well known the planets were named for Norns, urth, skald, verthandi.\n\nOn Friday, September 29, 2017, Ab de Vos > wrote:\n\n They may be colonists in the sense of random settlers in another\n country, like ex-pats. But not in the sense of a imperialistic\n colonization scheme such as in Cerberus. There is I believe no\n indication that the autarch is subjected to the kakogens which\n would have pointed to a foreign power ruling. A foreign power\n ruling indigenous elites is a sure sign of colonization, like the\n Dutch East Indies.\n\n By the way. Yesterday I read in a piece about Lovecraft that Urth\n means? 'fate' and also 'turn' or 'bend' in Old Norse. The word\n 'weird' is derived from it. I was always thinking 'urth' was a\n simple bastardization of earth. Anybody knew this? It was a\n surprise to me. Fate and the turning of deep time.\n\n\n\n -------- Doorgestuurd bericht --------\n Onderwerp: \tRe: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet\n Datum: \tFri, 29 Sep 2017 09:15:32 -0500\n Van: \tJeffery Wilson clueland.com \n \n \n Aan: \tAb de Vos \n \n\n\n\n On 9/27/2017 4:12 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:\n > Probably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them \n > like the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think. \n\n Rather it strikes me that Abaia's undines are indeed colonists, or among\n them. It's not clear if they are beings who have swum here across space,\n or Urthly humans who were given such power with their collossal size.\n\n -- \n Jeffery Wilson - >\n RIP - A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n < http://clueland.com/demo/interact/ >\n \n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Eric Bourland", "address": "eb at hwaet.com" }, "date": "2017-09-29T17:49:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Huh. You know, I never thought of that. =) Thank you, Marc.\n\nSay, when is the second volume of your Light and Shadow book coming out \nfrom Castalia?\n\nEric" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Eric Bourland\neb at hwaet.com\nhttps://www.hwaet.com\n\n\nOn 9/29/2017 1:26 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Putting my hands on my mouth again.\n\n\nOp 29-9-2017 om 19:24 schreef Marc Aramini:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Yes, well known the planets were named for Norns, urth, skald, verthandi.\n\nOn Friday, September 29, 2017, Ab de Vos > wrote:\n\n They may be colonists in the sense of random settlers in another\n country, like ex-pats. But not in the sense of a imperialistic\n colonization scheme such as in Cerberus. There is I believe no\n indication that the autarch is subjected to the kakogens which\n would have pointed to a foreign power ruling. A foreign power\n ruling indigenous elites is a sure sign of colonization, like the\n Dutch East Indies.\n\n By the way. Yesterday I read in a piece about Lovecraft that Urth\n means? 'fate' and also 'turn' or 'bend' in Old Norse. The word\n 'weird' is derived from it. I was always thinking 'urth' was a\n simple bastardization of earth. Anybody knew this? It was a\n surprise to me. Fate and the turning of deep time.\n\n\n\n -------- Doorgestuurd bericht --------\n Onderwerp: \tRe: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet\n Datum: \tFri, 29 Sep 2017 09:15:32 -0500\n Van: \tJeffery Wilson clueland.com \n \n \n Aan: \tAb de Vos \n \n\n\n\n On 9/27/2017 4:12 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:\n > Probably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them \n > like the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think. \n\n Rather it strikes me that Abaia's undines are indeed colonists, or among\n them. It's not clear if they are beings who have swum here across space,\n or Urthly humans who were given such power with their collossal size.\n\n -- \n Jeffery Wilson - >\n RIP - A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n < http://clueland.com/demo/interact/ >\n \n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2017-09-29T19:24:40+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nah no shame in not knowing everything under the sun." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Friday, September 29, 2017, Ab de Vos wrote:\nPutting my hands on my mouth again.\n\nOp 29-9-2017 om 19:24 schreef Marc Aramini:\n\nYes, well known the planets were named for Norns, urth, skald, verthandi.\n\nOn Friday, September 29, 2017, Ab de Vos > wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "They may be colonists in the sense of random settlers in another country,\nlike ex-pats. But not in the sense of a imperialistic colonization scheme\nsuch as in Cerberus. There is I believe no indication that the autarch is\nsubjected to the kakogens which would have pointed to a foreign power\nruling. A foreign power ruling indigenous elites is a sure sign of\ncolonization, like the Dutch East Indies.\n\nBy the way. Yesterday I read in a piece about Lovecraft that Urth means\n'fate' and also 'turn' or 'bend' in Old Norse. The word 'weird' is derived\nfrom it. I was always thinking 'urth' was a simple bastardization of earth.\nAnybody knew this? It was a surprise to me. Fate and the turning of deep\ntime.\n\n\n-------- Doorgestuurd bericht --------\nOnderwerp: Re: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet\nDatum: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:15:32 -0500\nVan: Jeffery Wilson clueland.com \nAan: Ab de Vos \n\nOn 9/27/2017 4:12 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Probably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them\nlike the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Rather it strikes me that Abaia's undines are indeed colonists, or among\nthem. It's not clear if they are beings who have swum here across space,\nor Urthly humans who were given such power with their collossal size.\n\n--\nJeffery Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nRIP - A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab< http://clueland.com/demo/interact/ > " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2017-09-29T19:27:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Second volume submitted but hasn't gone through editing ... anyone's guess.\nWhen I submit the final part ( gonna be 3 - got too long) then it might be\nreapportioned for equally sized hardbacks, which I think is probably wise,\nor no one will buy volume 3. There is almost no editing to do compared to\nlast time, so I hope Matthew can get through it soon.\n\nI think volume two is far superior to the first." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Friday, September 29, 2017, Eric Bourland wrote:\nHuh. You know, I never thought of that. =) Thank you, Marc.\n\nSay, when is the second volume of your Light and Shadow book coming out\nfrom Castalia?\n\nEric\n\n--\nEric Bourlandeb at hwaet.com https://www.hwaet.com\n\n\nOn 9/29/2017 1:26 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:\n\nPutting my hands on my mouth again.\n\nOp 29-9-2017 om 19:24 schreef Marc Aramini:\n\nYes, well known the planets were named for Norns, urth, skald, verthandi.\n\nOn Friday, September 29, 2017, Ab de Vos > wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "They may be colonists in the sense of random settlers in another country,\nlike ex-pats. But not in the sense of a imperialistic colonization scheme\nsuch as in Cerberus. There is I believe no indication that the autarch is\nsubjected to the kakogens which would have pointed to a foreign power\nruling. A foreign power ruling indigenous elites is a sure sign of\ncolonization, like the Dutch East Indies.\n\nBy the way. Yesterday I read in a piece about Lovecraft that Urth means\n'fate' and also 'turn' or 'bend' in Old Norse. The word 'weird' is derived\nfrom it. I was always thinking 'urth' was a simple bastardization of earth.\nAnybody knew this? It was a surprise to me. Fate and the turning of deep\ntime.\n\n\n-------- Doorgestuurd bericht --------\nOnderwerp: Re: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet\nDatum: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:15:32 -0500\nVan: Jeffery Wilson clueland.com \nAan: Ab de Vos \n\nOn 9/27/2017 4:12 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Probably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them\nlike the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Rather it strikes me that Abaia's undines are indeed colonists, or among\nthem. It's not clear if they are beings who have swum here across space,\nor Urthly humans who were given such power with their collossal size.\n\n--\nJeffery Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nRIP - A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab< http://clueland.com/demo/interact/ > " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Charles Gillingham", "address": "charlesgillingham at gmail.com" }, "date": "2017-09-30T00:32:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Dis is named after a city in hell. I know this from playing Doom in the\n90's." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sep 29, 2017 12:27 PM, \"Marc Aramini\" wrote:\nSecond volume submitted but hasn't gone through editing ... anyone's\nguess. When I submit the final part ( gonna be 3 - got too long) then it\nmight be reapportioned for equally sized hardbacks, which I think is\nprobably wise, or no one will buy volume 3. There is almost no editing to\ndo compared to last time, so I hope Matthew can get through it soon.\n\nI think volume two is far superior to the first.\n\nOn Friday, September 29, 2017, Eric Bourland wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Huh. You know, I never thought of that. =) Thank you, Marc.\n\nSay, when is the second volume of your Light and Shadow book coming out\nfrom Castalia?\n\nEric\n\n--\nEric Bourlandeb at hwaet.comhttps://www.hwaet.com\n\n\nOn 9/29/2017 1:26 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:\n\nPutting my hands on my mouth again.\n\nOp 29-9-2017 om 19:24 schreef Marc Aramini:\n\nYes, well known the planets were named for Norns, urth, skald, verthandi.\n\nOn Friday, September 29, 2017, Ab de Vos wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "They may be colonists in the sense of random settlers in another\ncountry, like ex-pats. But not in the sense of a imperialistic colonization\nscheme such as in Cerberus. There is I believe no indication that the\nautarch is subjected to the kakogens which would have pointed to a foreign\npower ruling. A foreign power ruling indigenous elites is a sure sign of\ncolonization, like the Dutch East Indies.\n\nBy the way. Yesterday I read in a piece about Lovecraft that Urth means\n'fate' and also 'turn' or 'bend' in Old Norse. The word 'weird' is derived\nfrom it. I was always thinking 'urth' was a simple bastardization of earth.\nAnybody knew this? It was a surprise to me. Fate and the turning of deep\ntime.\n\n\n-------- Doorgestuurd bericht --------\nOnderwerp: Re: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet\nDatum: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:15:32 -0500\nVan: Jeffery Wilson clueland.com \nAan: Ab de Vos \n\nOn 9/27/2017 4:12 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Probably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them\nlike the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Rather it strikes me that Abaia's undines are indeed colonists, or among\nthem. It's not clear if they are beings who have swum here across space,\nor Urthly humans who were given such power with their collossal size.\n\n--\nJeffery Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nRIP - A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab< http://clueland.com/demo/interact/ > " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Eric Bourland", "address": "eb at hwaet.com" }, "date": "2017-09-30T02:09:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ruled by Dispater, if the Old Dungeons and Dragons Monster Manual can be credited.\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: \"Charles Gillingham\" \nSent: ?9/?29/?2017 8:32 PM\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nSubject: Re: (urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet\n\nDis is named after a city in hell. I know this from playing Doom in the 90's.\n\n\n\n\nOn Sep 29, 2017 12:27 PM, \"Marc Aramini\" wrote:\n\nSecond volume submitted but hasn't gone through editing ... anyone's guess. When I submit the final part ( gonna be 3 - got too long) then it might be reapportioned for equally sized hardbacks, which I think is probably wise, or no one will buy volume 3. There is almost no editing to do compared to last time, so I hope Matthew can get through it soon. \n\n\nI think volume two is far superior to the first. \n\nOn Friday, September 29, 2017, Eric Bourland wrote:\n\nHuh. You know, I never thought of that. =) Thank you, Marc.\nSay, when is the second volume of your Light and Shadow book coming out from Castalia?\nEric" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Eric Bourland\neb at hwaet.com\nhttps://www.hwaet.com\n\nOn 9/29/2017 1:26 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:\n\nPutting my hands on my mouth again.\n\n\n\nOp 29-9-2017 om 19:24 schreef Marc Aramini:\n\nYes, well known the planets were named for Norns, urth, skald, verthandi.\n\nOn Friday, September 29, 2017, Ab de Vos wrote:\n\nThey may be colonists in the sense of random settlers in another country, like ex-pats. But not in the sense of a imperialistic colonization scheme such as in Cerberus. There is I believe no indication that the autarch is subjected to the kakogens which would have pointed to a foreign power ruling. A foreign power ruling indigenous elites is a sure sign of colonization, like the Dutch East Indies.\n\nBy the way. Yesterday I read in a piece about Lovecraft that Urth means 'fate' and also 'turn' or 'bend' in Old Norse. The word 'weird' is derived from it. I was always thinking 'urth' was a simple bastardization of earth. Anybody knew this? It was a surprise to me. Fate and the turning of deep time.\n\n\n-------- Doorgestuurd bericht -------- Onderwerp: Re: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet\nDatum: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:15:32 -0500\nVan: Jeffery Wilson clueland.com \nAan: Ab de Vos \n\n\n\nOn 9/27/2017 4:12 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:\n> Probably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them \n> like the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think. \n\nRather it strikes me that Abaia's undines are indeed colonists, or among \nthem. It's not clear if they are beings who have swum here across space, \nor Urthly humans who were given such power with their collossal size.\n\n-- \nJeffery Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nRIP - A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://clueland.com/demo/interact/ >\n\n \n\n\n \n\n\n-- \nEric Bourland\neb at hwaet.com\nhttps://www.hwaet.com" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Charles Gillingham", "address": "charlesgillingham at gmail.com" }, "date": "2017-09-30T03:32:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dis_(Divine_Comedy)\n\nI always get that mixed up with the city in Paradise Lost." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sep 29, 2017 7:09 PM, \"Eric Bourland\" wrote:\nRuled by Dispater, if the Old Dungeons and Dragons Monster Manual can be\ncredited.\n------------------------------\nFrom: Charles Gillingham \nSent: ?9/?29/?2017 8:32 PM\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSubject: Re: (urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet\n\nDis is named after a city in hell. I know this from playing Doom in the\n90's.\n\n\nOn Sep 29, 2017 12:27 PM, \"Marc Aramini\" wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Second volume submitted but hasn't gone through editing ... anyone's\nguess. When I submit the final part ( gonna be 3 - got too long) then it\nmight be reapportioned for equally sized hardbacks, which I think is\nprobably wise, or no one will buy volume 3. There is almost no editing to\ndo compared to last time, so I hope Matthew can get through it soon.\n\nI think volume two is far superior to the first.\n\nOn Friday, September 29, 2017, Eric Bourland wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Huh. You know, I never thought of that. =) Thank you, Marc.\n\nSay, when is the second volume of your Light and Shadow book coming out\nfrom Castalia?\n\nEric\n\n--\nEric Bourlandeb at hwaet.comhttps://www.hwaet.com\n\n\nOn 9/29/2017 1:26 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:\n\nPutting my hands on my mouth again.\n\nOp 29-9-2017 om 19:24 schreef Marc Aramini:\n\nYes, well known the planets were named for Norns, urth, skald, verthandi.\n\nOn Friday, September 29, 2017, Ab de Vos wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "They may be colonists in the sense of random settlers in another\ncountry, like ex-pats. But not in the sense of a imperialistic colonization\nscheme such as in Cerberus. There is I believe no indication that the\nautarch is subjected to the kakogens which would have pointed to a foreign\npower ruling. A foreign power ruling indigenous elites is a sure sign of\ncolonization, like the Dutch East Indies.\n\nBy the way. Yesterday I read in a piece about Lovecraft that Urth\nmeans 'fate' and also 'turn' or 'bend' in Old Norse. The word 'weird' is\nderived from it. I was always thinking 'urth' was a simple bastardization\nof earth. Anybody knew this? It was a surprise to me. Fate and the turning\nof deep time.\n\n\n-------- Doorgestuurd bericht --------\nOnderwerp: Re: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet\nDatum: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:15:32 -0500\nVan: Jeffery Wilson clueland.com \nAan: Ab de Vos \n\nOn 9/27/2017 4:12 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "Probably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them\nlike the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Rather it strikes me that Abaia's undines are indeed colonists, or among\nthem. It's not clear if they are beings who have swum here across space,\nor Urthly humans who were given such power with their collossal size.\n\n--\nJeffery Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nRIP - A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab< http://clueland.com/demo/interact/ > " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2017-09-30T16:07:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Pandaemonium\n\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes\n\nThe spatula is the natural enemy of the hypothalamus." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Charles Gillingham <\ncharlesgillingham at gmail.com> wrote:\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dis_(Divine_Comedy)\n\nI always get that mixed up with the city in Paradise Lost.\n\nOn Sep 29, 2017 7:09 PM, \"Eric Bourland\" wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Ruled by Dispater, if the Old Dungeons and Dragons Monster Manual can be\ncredited.\n------------------------------\nFrom: Charles Gillingham \nSent: ?9/?29/?2017 8:32 PM\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSubject: Re: (urth) Fwd: Re: Urth is a colonised planet\n\nDis is named after a city in hell. I know this from playing Doom in the\n90's.\n\n\nOn Sep 29, 2017 12:27 PM, \"Marc Aramini\" wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Second volume submitted but hasn't gone through editing ... anyone's\nguess. When I submit the final part ( gonna be 3 - got too long) then it\nmight be reapportioned for equally sized hardbacks, which I think is\nprobably wise, or no one will buy volume 3. There is almost no editing to\ndo compared to last time, so I hope Matthew can get through it soon.\n\nI think volume two is far superior to the first.\n\nOn Friday, September 29, 2017, Eric Bourland wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Huh. You know, I never thought of that. =) Thank you, Marc.\n\nSay, when is the second volume of your Light and Shadow book coming out\nfrom Castalia?\n\nEric\n\n--\nEric Bourlandeb at hwaet.comhttps://www.hwaet.com\n\n\nOn 9/29/2017 1:26 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:\n\nPutting my hands on my mouth again.\n\nOp 29-9-2017 om 19:24 schreef Marc Aramini:\n\nYes, well known the planets were named for Norns, urth, skald,\nverthandi.\n\nOn Friday, September 29, 2017, Ab de Vos wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "They may be colonists in the sense of random settlers in another\ncountry, like ex-pats. But not in the sense of a imperialistic colonization\nscheme such as in Cerberus. There is I believe no indication that the\nautarch is subjected to the kakogens which would have pointed to a foreign\npower ruling. A foreign power ruling indigenous elites is a sure sign of\ncolonization, like the Dutch East Indies.\n\nBy the way. Yesterday I read in a piece about Lovecraft that Urth\nmeans 'fate' and also 'turn' or 'bend' in Old Norse. The word 'weird' is\nderived from it. I was always thinking 'urth' was a simple bastardization\nof earth. Anybody knew this? It was a surprise to me. Fate and the turning\nof deep time.\n\n\n-------- Doorgestuurd bericht --------\nOnderwerp: Re: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet\nDatum: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:15:32 -0500\nVan: Jeffery Wilson clueland.com \nAan: Ab de Vos \n\nOn 9/27/2017 4:12 PM, Ab de Vos wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "Probably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them\nlike the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "Rather it strikes me that Abaia's undines are indeed colonists, or among\nthem. It's not clear if they are beings who have swum here across space,\nor Urthly humans who were given such power with their collossal size.\n\n--\nJeffery Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nRIP - A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab< http://clueland.com/demo/interact/ > " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }