{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6789", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6789, "subject": "Wolfe in Vollmann", "messages": 4, "voices": 2, "first": "2018-04-23T15:54:46+00:00", "last": "2018-04-23T21:00:19+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Robert Pirkola", "address": "rpirkola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2018-04-23T15:54:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe in Vollmann", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I just received my copy of William T. Vollmann's *No Immediate Danger: Volume One of Carbon Ideologies* and was pleasantly surprised to find one of my top-five favorite writers quoting another -- Gene Wolfe! It contains this epigraph:\n\n\"We all have in us the ghosts of long-vanished things, of fallen cities and marvelous machines. Gene Wolfe, 1982\"\n\nFor ease of reference it is from *The Sword of the Lictor*, Chapter XXVI, Above the Jungle.\n\nVollmann has read widely in science fiction starting in the late 1960's and has cited James Blish's *Cities In Flight* as amongst his favorite books. Obviously, he has not idly consumed the Book of the New Sun as well." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2018-04-23T16:49:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe in Vollmann", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Cool - one of his early novels felt very SFnal (You Bright and Risen\nAngels) - I've read that and what he released of his Seven American Dreams\n(but I can't get into his work on prostitutes - maybe some day)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Robert Pirkola \nwrote:\nI just received my copy of William T. Vollmann's *No Immediate Danger:\nVolume One of Carbon Ideologies* and was pleasantly surprised to find one\nof my top-five favorite writers quoting another -- Gene Wolfe! It contains\nthis epigraph:\n\n\"We all have in us the ghosts of long-vanished things, of fallen cities\nand marvelous machines. Gene Wolfe, 1982\"\n\nFor ease of reference it is from *The Sword of the Lictor*, Chapter XXVI,\nAbove the Jungle.\n\nVollmann has read widely in science fiction starting in the late 1960's\nand has cited James Blish's *Cities In Flight* as amongst his favorite\nbooks. Obviously, he has not idly consumed the Book of the New Sun as well.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Robert Pirkola", "address": "rpirkola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2018-04-23T19:52:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe in Vollmann", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Marc - have you read The Dying Grass, the most recent installment of Seven Dreams? I haven't gotten to it yet myself but it is supposed to have a very interesting style whereby the text on the left is meant to be the central action and dialogue whereas the text on the right of the page is background and the hum of secondary conversations which I can only imagine makes for a unique reading experience. You Bright and Risen Angels certainly had SF leanings and other of his books have mythological/fantasy elements like GW, most prominently The Ice Shirt's incorporation of Norse myths. As for his other works, even if the subject matter isn't to one's tastes, the gorgeous writing is just as strong and has carried me to a profound enjoyment of all that he writes about, whether its walking the Tenderloin or hopping trains, or musing on the lives of migrant workers in the UAE. Whores For Gloria was my favorite of his novels involving prostitutes, but the concerns of the novel are not sensationalism but empathy and understanding. Give 'em another try!\n\nP.S. I'll probably put a jinx on the whole thing, but the online archives are working again." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2018-04-23T21:00:19+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe in Vollmann", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I haven't, but I just got in on Kindle. Didn't even know it was out -\nhaven't read Vollmann in a few years. I like how he put the negative\nreviews on the cover of Argall." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Robert Pirkola \nwrote:\nMarc - have you read The Dying Grass, the most recent installment of Seven\nDreams? I haven't gotten to it yet myself but it is supposed to have a\nvery interesting style whereby the text on the left is meant to be the\ncentral action and dialogue whereas the text on the right of the page is\nbackground and the hum of secondary conversations which I can only imagine\nmakes for a unique reading experience." } ] } ] }