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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6794, "subject": ") Goldwurm and blood sucking in Greek Myth in SH;\n Lamia of Corinth", "messages": 4, "voices": 2, "first": "2018-05-23T01:05:27+00:00", "last": "2018-05-23T10:55:33+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2018-05-23T01:05:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) ) Goldwurm and blood sucking in Greek Myth in SH;\n Lamia of Corinth", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was hung up on who Goldwurm was ... Wolfe did a number on us. There are\nthree spirits with three manifestations. The Kikimora, Knecht Ruprecht\n(Robin Goodfellow/The Devil) and ... finally, the one who is the strangler\nGoldwurm and the butler Nicholas, who sucks the blood of children. There is\none monster who was used as a bogeyman for children, who sucked their blood\nor ripped them from the womb. The lamia, who, not always a serpent, was a\nshapeshifter. When her children died, killed by the jealous Hera there are\nseveral features that she has. One is that she could never sleep,\ntormented, so she could remove her eyes and possess vessels through them.\nThe flaming eyes of Lupine and Nicholas are mentioned. In addition, in some\nmyths, she was ambiguously gendered, as one noxious item was lamia's\ntesticles (see the Greek gold coin on which the obverse side is a woman who\nlooks like a man to Doris and the fact that Winkle is called a HE by\nIuean).\n\nFinally, and the seal of the deal, is this, from Philostratis and the Life\nof Appolonius about Lamia of CORINTH - note that the coin is\nCORINTHIAN!!!!!!!!:\n\nLamia is the vulgar term, empousa the proper term:\n\n\"The *empousa* admits in the end to fattening up her victim (Menippus of\nLycia) to be consumed, as she was in the habit of targeting young men for\nfood \"because their blood was fresh and pure\".[36]\n\nThe\nlast statement has led to the surmise that this lamia/empusa was a sort of\nblood-sucking vampire.[44]\n\n\nAnother aspect of her powers is that this empusa/lamia is able to create an\nillusion of a sumptuous mansion, with all the accoutrements and even\nservants. But once Apollonius reveals her false identity at the wedding,\nthe illusion fails her and vanishes\"\n\n\nThere we have it - the house as illusion of the ambiguously gendered and\nfierce eyed-lamia, in conjunction with the stories of Knecht Ruprecht and\nthe Kikimora, means this bodes very ill for Bax. Goldwurm is the Lamia. Her\nrival is Hera, but does Hera appear to strike down the illegitimate\nchildren of Zeus in the text?" } ] }, { "message_id": "<7e2bacec-9593-8790-d3ee-f98141410c73@casema.nl>", "from": { "name": "Ab de Vos", "address": "foxyab at casema.nl" }, "date": "2018-05-23T08:06:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) ) Goldwurm and blood sucking in Greek Myth in SH;\n Lamia of Corinth", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Great, a minor breakthrough. Another gold nugget.\n\nhttp://www.tektonics.org/copycat/apollonius.php\n\nIs there an illusion dispelled somewhere in relation to the house?\n\n\nOp 23-5-2018 om 03:05 schreef Marc Aramini:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Life of Appolonius" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2018-05-23T10:30:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) ) Goldwurm and blood sucking in Greek Myth in SH;\n Lamia of Corinth", "in_reply_to": "<7e2bacec-9593-8790-d3ee-f98141410c73@casema.nl>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In this “retelling”, Apollonius (Ambrosius in the text) never figures it\nout and gets killed. Bax never sees through the illusion, and that’s why\nthe ghost is crying at the end. He almost sees through the manjushri\nillusion to cut through the duality at one point (manjushri advises him to\nteam up with Kate Finn to “find his brother”, but that results in a way to\nliterally and metaphorically take his brother’s life).\n\nI wonder how Jesus like Wolfe wanted to make that master figure in regards\nto resurrection, etc." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wednesday, May 23, 2018, Ab de Vos wrote:\nGreat, a minor breakthrough. Another gold nugget.\n\nhttp://www.tektonics.org/copycat/apollonius.php\n\nIs there an illusion dispelled somewhere in relation to the house?\n\n\nOp 23-5-2018 om 03:05 schreef Marc Aramini:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Life of Appolonius" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2018-05-23T10:55:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) ) Goldwurm and blood sucking in Greek Myth in SH;\n Lamia of Corinth", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Typed in “rivermen philostratus” in google - clicked on first link and on\nthat ebook page guess what was being discussed? keat?s Lamia." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wednesday, May 23, 2018, Marc Aramini wrote:\nIn this “retelling”, Apollonius (Ambrosius in the text) never figures it\nout and gets killed. Bax never sees through the illusion, and that’s why\nthe ghost is crying at the end. He almost sees through the manjushri\nillusion to cut through the duality at one point (manjushri advises him to\nteam up with Kate Finn to “find his brother”, but that results in a way to\nliterally and metaphorically take his brother’s life).\n\nI wonder how Jesus like Wolfe wanted to make that master figure in regards\nto resurrection, etc.\n\nOn Wednesday, May 23, 2018, Ab de Vos wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Great, a minor breakthrough. Another gold nugget.\n\nhttp://www.tektonics.org/copycat/apollonius.php\n\nIs there an illusion dispelled somewhere in relation to the house?\n\n\nOp 23-5-2018 om 03:05 schreef Marc Aramini:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Life of Appolonius" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }