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Thanks to a ton of emails back and forth to Robert Pirkola,\nit really clicked into place for me. I am currently writing it but super\nhappy. It's called \"here's a coconut\" and relies heavily upon the Perseus\nmyth. Gideon means the destroyer and so does Perseus, but the embedded\nmotifs indicate that enemies become friends - Reis first intends to destroy\nCassie with the gold then falls in love with her, and his second gift is of\ndiamonds. (Also, Abaddon in the bible, the destroyer, is called king of the\nabyss and an angel of destruction - Reis is called an angel for the play,\nand he has a white car to Gideon's black - lots of those color motifs going\non). Great Cthulu is actually the main character and shows up way earlier\nthan we think in another G.C., Gideon Chase, but he is like Hanga walking\nsmall after he eats the King (Reis means King), though he still eats the\nwoman from Perth (perth- is the root word for Perseus). Klauser is a\nreformed \"dragon\" and the first and last chapters are mirror images set in\na white house, in which the future and past ambassadors of Woldercan are\nshown pictures of Reis, one when he leaves his ambassadorship and one when\nhe arrives (backwards, as the theme of the book is also that the future is\nthe past). Thanks to Pirkola also for two of the thematic strains: love\nconquers all, and break open the dark coconut and it is white inside.\nPerseus was conceived in a shower of gold and Chthulu will be freed from\nR'lyeh and evil when Reis sneaks the gold into his city - the resurrected\nPat Gomez releases the chains of Diana Diamond and they go off together in\nthe storm. The love Reis had for earth, his blue island, and for cassie,\nwill be assimilated into Cthulu, who becomes the hero even as he denies\nthat good and evil are real. the sea god Poseidon made Cassiopeia into a\nconstellation and the reformed sea god Gideon (blow the man down, he sings)\nmakes our Cassiopeia into a star, but Wolfe has found a way to make\nPoseidon and Perseus the same figure. When Gideon disappears from the text\nhalfway through, the Storm King shows up - he is always the central\ncharacter even though he keeps being confined in boxes and in R''lyeh and\nluggage compartment and the 1X1 space behind Cassie's couch etc, - walking\nsmall. Even the bat creatures are redeemed through love in this book. Now\nthat the barrier to understanding is gone ... I will finish this writeup\nshortly and on to the final one ... which is half written but is still\nmissing something, Land Across. I permitted myself one failure on this, so\nin my mind now the project is an unqualified success. Thanks to all who\nhelped." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2019-01-09T16:52:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general update and some evil guest stuff", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Also, the Red Spot play reveals the Storm King way earlier, (the red spot\nis a storm on jupiter, king of the gods) and its plot is echoed in the\ndenouement. Most importantly, the post Red Spot party actually gives us the\nend, and \"tiny\" Porter Penman (Poseidon/Perseus) tells us in a southern\naccent of BLACKstrap molasses that he won't send anyone to strangle Cassie\nanymore - Porter is 400 pounds but he is called Tiny here, and Klauser's\nown lost weight is an additional mirror:reformation, in this story, is\nshrinking, as Hanga walks small when he is contained and harmless. Great\nstuff. Wolfe is a genius, but we all knew that." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 9:48 AM Marc Aramini wrote:\nHaven't seen anyone post in a while - I wanted to send out a test here and\nupdate everyone on some progress on one of my last two writeups, Anyone who\nhasn't should join the Gene Wolfe Appreciation society on Facebook as\ndiscussion is far more lively there than here should consider it. So ...\n\nan Evil Guest. Thanks to a ton of emails back and forth to Robert Pirkola,\nit really clicked into place for me. I am currently writing it but super\nhappy. It's called \"here's a coconut\" and relies heavily upon the Perseus\nmyth. Gideon means the destroyer and so does Perseus, but the embedded\nmotifs indicate that enemies become friends - Reis first intends to destroy\nCassie with the gold then falls in love with her, and his second gift is of\ndiamonds. (Also, Abaddon in the bible, the destroyer, is called king of the\nabyss and an angel of destruction - Reis is called an angel for the play,\nand he has a white car to Gideon's black - lots of those color motifs going\non). Great Cthulu is actually the main character and shows up way earlier\nthan we think in another G.C., Gideon Chase, but he is like Hanga walking\nsmall after he eats the King (Reis means King), though he still eats the\nwoman from Perth (perth- is the root word for Perseus). Klauser is a\nreformed \"dragon\" and the first and last chapters are mirror images set in\na white house, in which the future and past ambassadors of Woldercan are\nshown pictures of Reis, one when he leaves his ambassadorship and one when\nhe arrives (backwards, as the theme of the book is also that the future is\nthe past). Thanks to Pirkola also for two of the thematic strains: love\nconquers all, and break open the dark coconut and it is white inside.\nPerseus was conceived in a shower of gold and Chthulu will be freed from\nR'lyeh and evil when Reis sneaks the gold into his city - the resurrected\nPat Gomez releases the chains of Diana Diamond and they go off together in\nthe storm. The love Reis had for earth, his blue island, and for cassie,\nwill be assimilated into Cthulu, who becomes the hero even as he denies\nthat good and evil are real. the sea god Poseidon made Cassiopeia into a\nconstellation and the reformed sea god Gideon (blow the man down, he sings)\nmakes our Cassiopeia into a star, but Wolfe has found a way to make\nPoseidon and Perseus the same figure. When Gideon disappears from the text\nhalfway through, the Storm King shows up - he is always the central\ncharacter even though he keeps being confined in boxes and in R''lyeh and\nluggage compartment and the 1X1 space behind Cassie's couch etc, - walking\nsmall. Even the bat creatures are redeemed through love in this book. Now\nthat the barrier to understanding is gone ... I will finish this writeup\nshortly and on to the final one ... which is half written but is still\nmissing something, Land Across. I permitted myself one failure on this, so\nin my mind now the project is an unqualified success. Thanks to all who\nhelped." } ] }, { "message_id": "<2BFEF0CB-A932-48EA-924D-A13425856986@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2019-01-10T03:43:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general update and some evil guest stuff", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No dia 09/01/2019, ?s 16:48, Marc Aramini escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Haven't seen anyone post in a while" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "We're here." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "(...) Anyone who hasn't should join the Gene Wolfe Appreciation society on Facebook as discussion is far more lively there than here should consider it." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think it's a major downgrade. No archival, no search, no reasoning, no structure.\n\nI think FB messages with more than 200 characters but less than 2500 should be banned." } ] }, { "message_id": "<002201d4b77c$18d7f1a0$4a87d4e0$@Domain>", "from": { "name": "Eric Bourland", "address": "eb" }, "date": "2019-01-29T02:41:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general update and some evil guest stuff", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Marc,\n\n \n\nStill here on Urth.\n\n \n\nThat's a fascinating discussion. Thanks for that, to you and Robert.\n\n \n\nEric\n\n \n\nFrom: Urth On Behalf Of Marc Aramini\nSent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:48 AM" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2019-01-29T03:08:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general update and some evil guest stuff", "in_reply_to": "<002201d4b77c$18d7f1a0$4a87d4e0$@Domain>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Still have to edit that one heavily - thanks. Robert has convinced me the\nsalad dressings can match up to the winds. I need to make claims about the\nlarge dark figure who sends Jimmy to Cassie, who tries to kill Gideon etc\nbefore I am done with it - smooth out the edges a bit" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Monday, January 28, 2019, Eric Bourland \nwrote:\nMarc,\n\n\n\nStill here on Urth.\n\n\n\nThat's a fascinating discussion. Thanks for that, to you and Robert.\n\n\n\nEric\n\n\n\n*From:* Urth *On Behalf Of *Marc Aramini\n*Sent:* Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:48 AM\n*To:* The Urth Mailing List \n*Subject:* (urth) general update and some evil guest stuff\n\n\n\nHaven't seen anyone post in a while - I wanted to send out a test here and\nupdate everyone on some progress on one of my last two writeups, Anyone who\nhasn't should join the Gene Wolfe Appreciation society on Facebook as\ndiscussion is far more lively there than here should consider it. So ...\n\n\n\nan Evil Guest. Thanks to a ton of emails back and forth to Robert Pirkola,\nit really clicked into place for me. I am currently writing it but super\nhappy. It's called \"here's a coconut\" and relies heavily upon the Perseus\nmyth. Gideon means the destroyer and so does Perseus, but the embedded\nmotifs indicate that enemies become friends - Reis first intends to destroy\nCassie with the gold then falls in love with her, and his second gift is of\ndiamonds. (Also, Abaddon in the bible, the destroyer, is called king of the\nabyss and an angel of destruction - Reis is called an angel for the play,\nand he has a white car to Gideon's black - lots of those color motifs going\non). Great Cthulu is actually the main character and shows up way earlier\nthan we think in another G.C., Gideon Chase, but he is like Hanga walking\nsmall after he eats the King (Reis means King), though he still eats the\nwoman from Perth (perth- is the root word for Perseus). Klauser is a\nreformed \"dragon\" and the first and last chapters are mirror images set in\na white house, in which the future and past ambassadors of Woldercan are\nshown pictures of Reis, one when he leaves his ambassadorship and one when\nhe arrives (backwards, as the theme of the book is also that the future is\nthe past). Thanks to Pirkola also for two of the thematic strains: love\nconquers all, and break open the dark coconut and it is white inside.\nPerseus was conceived in a shower of gold and Chthulu will be freed from\nR'lyeh and evil when Reis sneaks the gold into his city - the resurrected\nPat Gomez releases the chains of Diana Diamond and they go off together in\nthe storm. The love Reis had for earth, his blue island, and for cassie,\nwill be assimilated into Cthulu, who becomes the hero even as he denies\nthat good and evil are real. the sea god Poseidon made Cassiopeia into a\nconstellation and the reformed sea god Gideon (blow the man down, he sings)\nmakes our Cassiopeia into a star, but Wolfe has found a way to make\nPoseidon and Perseus the same figure. When Gideon disappears from the text\nhalfway through, the Storm King shows up - he is always the central\ncharacter even though he keeps being confined in boxes and in R''lyeh and\nluggage compartment and the 1X1 space behind Cassie's couch etc, - walking\nsmall. Even the bat creatures are redeemed through love in this book. Now\nthat the barrier to understanding is gone ... I will finish this writeup\nshortly and on to the final one ... which is half written but is still\nmissing something, Land Across. I permitted myself one failure on this, so\nin my mind now the project is an unqualified success. Thanks to all who\nhelped." } ] } ] }