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### Aishling Mooney
*31 Jan 2020, 08:05*

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>    1. Re:  [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women (Charles Gillingham)
>    2. Re:  [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women (Ryan Dunn)
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:51:12 -0800
> From: Charles Gillingham <charlesgillingham at gmail.com>
> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
> Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women
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> "Idiot" is an ableist slur...
> 
> Some of the most vulgar societies were the most stable. Walking down any
> given street in Augustus' Rome would have disgusted us. The graffiti
> in Pompeii was worse than any I've seen growing up in the hood. Evolution
> isn't always a clean or polite process. The battle of ideas is just as
> dirty and violent as any other battle for survival.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 10:32 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com>
> wrote:

>> If you can't figure out a way to politely tell someone that they are an
>> idiot who should go jump off a pier, your linguistic skills are sadly
>> lacking. And that is no excuse for rudeness.
>> 
>> Papa Heinlein, he say: when courtesy goes by the wayside, that
>> civilization is in decline.
>> 
>> Note also that "civil" and "civilization" are intimately related words.
>> 
>> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
>> 
>> *Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!*
>> *--*T?a???ke Witk?
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:11 AM Charles Gillingham <
>> charlesgillingham at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Controlling speech is just one step away from controlling thought, which
>>> is controlling action. Freedom of speech isn't freedom to compliment or
>>> placate or agree with the majority (or belligerent minority, in this
>>> case).
>>> It's freedom to disagree with authority, to be rude and controversial.

> But
> sure if you want to be polite when someone tells you to come with them,
> go
> ahead be as nice as you want.

>>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:

>>>> Rick, you got it in one.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm someone who occasionally says some of those rude things. I'm old
>>>> enough to remember when it was "normal". But I come down fully on the
>>>> side
>>>> of "political correctness", or, as it is properly know, *politeness*.
>>>> 
>>>> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
>>>> 
>>>> *Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!*
>>>> *--*T?a???ke Witk?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson <
>>>> NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> wrote:

>>>>> In my experience, people who complain about having to be “politically
>>>>> correct” are people who want to say rude things and are really
>>>>> complaining
>>>>> about not being allowed to be rude.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> *From:* Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] *On Behalf Of *Gem
>>>>> Caccetta
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15 PM
>>>>> *To:* urth at lists.urth.net
>>>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe & Women
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed Jan 29 2020 Ab de Dos wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "I believe the politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of being a
>>>>> christian misogynist?"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know Wolfe’s portrayal of women has been discussed many times on
>>>>> this
>>>>> list. I found this tidbit from my recent re-reading of Free Live Free
>>>>> interesting:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Free says??You like women, don’t you, Mr. Barnes?
>>>>> 
>>>>> “Like them?” Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment. “Not
>>>>> really. I want them, and since I can’t have them, usually, I don’t
>>>>> like
>>>>> them. But I want them, I suppose you could say that. I admire Madame
>>>>> Serpentina.”
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wouldn’t be surprised if this was Wolfe’s own attitude toward women
>>>>> speaking through Barnes. He could find things to admire in some
>>>>> women, but
>>>>> he didn’t really like them. Just my guess, for what it’s worth.
>>>>> 
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