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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6832, "subject": "Help unsubcribe me", "messages": 2, "voices": 2, "first": "2020-01-31T19:06:35+00:00", "last": "2020-01-31T23:10:22+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Aishling Mooney", "address": "aislingmooney777 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2020-01-31T19:06:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Help unsubcribe me", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Please unsubscribe me from your mailing list aislingmooney777 at gmail.com\nThank you" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, 31 Jan 2020, 12:28 , wrote:\nSend Urth mailing list submissions to\n urth at lists.urth.net\n\nTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit\n http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net\nor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to\n urth-request at lists.urth.net\n\nYou can reach the person managing the list at\n urth-owner at lists.urth.net\n\nWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific\nthan \"Re: Contents of Urth digest...\"\n\n\nToday's Topics:\n\n 1. Re: [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women (Norwood, Frederick Hudson)\n\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nMessage: 1\nDate: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:20:29 +0000\nFrom: \"Norwood, Frederick Hudson\" \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSubject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women\nMessage-ID:\n <\nBN7PR07MB44990E36F4D264CDE94E3AED82070 at BN7PR07MB4499.namprd07.prod.outlook.com" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=\"utf-8\"\n\nI strongly urge all involved to drop this discussion, which I’m afraid I\nstarted, and return to the subject of Gene Wolfe.\n\nRick\n\nFrom: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Charles\nGillingham\nSent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 1:51 PM\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSubject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women\n\n\"Idiot\" is an ableist slur...\n\nSome of the most vulgar societies were the most stable. Walking down any\ngiven street in Augustus' Rome would have disgusted us. The graffiti in\nPompeii was worse than any I've seen growing up in the hood. Evolution\nisn't always a clean or polite process. The battle of ideas is just as\ndirty and violent as any other battle for survival.\nOn Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 10:32 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > wrote:\nIf you can't figure out a way to politely tell someone that they are an\nidiot who should go jump off a pier, your linguistic skills are sadly\nlacking. And that is no excuse for rudeness.\n\nPapa Heinlein, he say: when courtesy goes by the wayside, that\ncivilization is in decline.\n\nNote also that \"civil\" and \"civilization\" are intimately related words.\n\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes\n\nMaka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!\n--T?a???ke Witk?\n\n\nOn Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:11 AM Charles Gillingham <\ncharlesgillingham at gmail.com> wrote:\nControlling speech is just one step away from controlling thought, which\nis controlling action. Freedom of speech isn't freedom to compliment or\nplacate or agree with the majority (or belligerent minority, in this case).\nIt's freedom to disagree with authority, to be rude and controversial. But\nsure if you want to be polite when someone tells you to come with them, go\nahead be as nice as you want.\n\nOn Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > wrote:\nRick, you got it in one.\n\nI'm someone who occasionally says some of those rude things. I'm old\nenough to remember when it was \"normal\". But I come down fully on the side\nof \"political correctness\", or, as it is properly know, politeness.\n\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes\n\nMaka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!\n--T?a???ke Witk?\n\n\nOn Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson <\nNORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> wrote:\nIn my experience, people who complain about having to be “politically\ncorrect” are people who want to say rude things and are really complaining\nabout not being allowed to be rude.\n\nRick\n\nFrom: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Gem Caccetta\nSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15 PM\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe & Women\n\n\nOn Wed Jan 29 2020 Ab de Dos wrote:\n\n\"I believe the politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of being a\nchristian misogynist?\"\n\n\n\nI know Wolfe’s portrayal of women has been discussed many times on this\nlist. I found this tidbit from my recent re-reading of Free Live Free\ninteresting:\n\nFree says??You like women, don’t you, Mr. Barnes??\n\n“Like them?” Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment. “Not really.\nI want them, and since I can’t have them, usually, I don’t like them. But I\nwant them, I suppose you could say that. I admire Madame Serpentina.”\n\n\nI wouldn’t be surprised if this was Wolfe’s own attitude toward women\nspeaking through Barnes. He could find things to admire in some women, but\nhe didn’t really like them. Just my guess, for what it’s worth.\n\nThe [EXTERNAL] tag in the subject line identifies emails that do NOT\noriginate from an ETSU person or service. Please exercise caution when\nhandling emails from external sources. Any email that is unsolicited and\nrequires you to take immediate action, appears to be forged or is PHISHING\nfor information can be verified by emailing the ITS Help Desk.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2020-01-31T23:10:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Help unsubcribe me", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "On Urth no one can hear you scream ..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Friday, January 31, 2020, Aishling Mooney \nwrote:\nPlease unsubscribe me from your mailing list aislingmooney777 at gmail.com\nThank you\n\nOn Fri, 31 Jan 2020, 12:28 , wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Send Urth mailing list submissions to\n urth at lists.urth.net\n\nTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit\n http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net\nor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to\n urth-request at lists.urth.net\n\nYou can reach the person managing the list at\n urth-owner at lists.urth.net\n\nWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific\nthan \"Re: Contents of Urth digest...\"\n\n\nToday's Topics:\n\n 1. Re: [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women (Norwood, Frederick Hudson)\n\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nMessage: 1\nDate: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:20:29 +0000\nFrom: \"Norwood, Frederick Hudson\" \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSubject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women\nMessage-ID:\n \n\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"utf-8\"\n\nI strongly urge all involved to drop this discussion, which I’m afraid I\nstarted, and return to the subject of Gene Wolfe.\n\nRick\n\nFrom: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Charles\nGillingham\nSent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 1:51 PM\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSubject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women\n\n\"Idiot\" is an ableist slur...\n\nSome of the most vulgar societies were the most stable. Walking down any\ngiven street in Augustus' Rome would have disgusted us. The graffiti in\nPompeii was worse than any I've seen growing up in the hood. Evolution\nisn't always a clean or polite process. The battle of ideas is just as\ndirty and violent as any other battle for survival.\nOn Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 10:32 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > wrote:\nIf you can't figure out a way to politely tell someone that they are an\nidiot who should go jump off a pier, your linguistic skills are sadly\nlacking. And that is no excuse for rudeness.\n\nPapa Heinlein, he say: when courtesy goes by the wayside, that\ncivilization is in decline.\n\nNote also that \"civil\" and \"civilization\" are intimately related words.\n\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes\n\nMaka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!\n--T?a???ke Witk?\n\n\nOn Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:11 AM Charles Gillingham <\ncharlesgillingham at gmail.com> wrote:\nControlling speech is just one step away from controlling thought, which\nis controlling action. Freedom of speech isn't freedom to compliment or\nplacate or agree with the majority (or belligerent minority, in this case).\nIt's freedom to disagree with authority, to be rude and controversial. But\nsure if you want to be polite when someone tells you to come with them, go\nahead be as nice as you want.\n\nOn Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > wrote:\nRick, you got it in one.\n\nI'm someone who occasionally says some of those rude things. I'm old\nenough to remember when it was \"normal\". But I come down fully on the side\nof \"political correctness\", or, as it is properly know, politeness.\n\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes\n\nMaka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!\n--T?a???ke Witk?\n\n\nOn Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson <\nNORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> wrote:\nIn my experience, people who complain about having to be “politically\ncorrect” are people who want to say rude things and are really complaining\nabout not being allowed to be rude.\n\nRick\n\nFrom: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Gem Caccetta\nSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15 PM\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe & Women\n\n\nOn Wed Jan 29 2020 Ab de Dos wrote:\n\n\"I believe the politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of being a\nchristian misogynist?\"\n\n\n\nI know Wolfe’s portrayal of women has been discussed many times on this\nlist. I found this tidbit from my recent re-reading of Free Live Free\ninteresting:\n\nFree says??You like women, don’t you, Mr. Barnes?\n\n“Like them?” Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment. “Not really.\nI want them, and since I can’t have them, usually, I don’t like them. But I\nwant them, I suppose you could say that. I admire Madame Serpentina.”\n\n\nI wouldn’t be surprised if this was Wolfe’s own attitude toward women\nspeaking through Barnes. He could find things to admire in some women, but\nhe didn’t really like them. Just my guess, for what it’s worth.\n\nThe [EXTERNAL] tag in the subject line identifies emails that do NOT\noriginate from an ETSU person or service. Please exercise caution when\nhandling emails from external sources. Any email that is unsolicited and\nrequires you to take immediate action, appears to be forged or is PHISHING\nfor information can be verified by emailing the ITS Help Desk.\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }