# Help unsubcribe me *The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 31 Jan 2020* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. 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Re: [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women (Norwood, Frederick Hudson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:20:29 +0000 > From: "Norwood, Frederick Hudson" > To: The Urth Mailing List > Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women > Message-ID: > < > BN7PR07MB44990E36F4D264CDE94E3AED82070 at BN7PR07MB4499.namprd07.prod.outlook.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I strongly urge all involved to drop this discussion, which I’m afraid I > started, and return to the subject of Gene Wolfe. > > Rick > > From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Charles > Gillingham > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 1:51 PM > To: The Urth Mailing List > Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women > > "Idiot" is an ableist slur... > > Some of the most vulgar societies were the most stable. Walking down any > given street in Augustus' Rome would have disgusted us. The graffiti in > Pompeii was worse than any I've seen growing up in the hood. Evolution > isn't always a clean or polite process. The battle of ideas is just as > dirty and violent as any other battle for survival. > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 10:32 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > wrote: > If you can't figure out a way to politely tell someone that they are an > idiot who should go jump off a pier, your linguistic skills are sadly > lacking. And that is no excuse for rudeness. > > Papa Heinlein, he say: when courtesy goes by the wayside, that > civilization is in decline. > > Note also that "civil" and "civilization" are intimately related words. > > Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo! > --T?a???ke Witk? > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:11 AM Charles Gillingham < > charlesgillingham at gmail.com> wrote: > Controlling speech is just one step away from controlling thought, which > is controlling action. Freedom of speech isn't freedom to compliment or > placate or agree with the majority (or belligerent minority, in this case). > It's freedom to disagree with authority, to be rude and controversial. But > sure if you want to be polite when someone tells you to come with them, go > ahead be as nice as you want. > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes danldo at gmail.com>> wrote: > Rick, you got it in one. > > I'm someone who occasionally says some of those rude things. I'm old > enough to remember when it was "normal". But I come down fully on the side > of "political correctness", or, as it is properly know, politeness. > > Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo! > --T?a???ke Witk? > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson < > NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> wrote: > In my experience, people who complain about having to be “politically > correct” are people who want to say rude things and are really complaining > about not being allowed to be rude. > > Rick > > From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net urth-bounces at lists.urth.net>] On Behalf Of Gem Caccetta > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15 PM > To: urth at lists.urth.net > Subject: [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe & Women > > > On Wed Jan 29 2020 Ab de Dos wrote: > > "I believe the politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of being a > christian misogynist?" > > > > I know Wolfe’s portrayal of women has been discussed many times on this > list. I found this tidbit from my recent re-reading of Free Live Free > interesting: > > Free says??You like women, don’t you, Mr. Barnes?? > > “Like them?” Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment. “Not really. > I want them, and since I can’t have them, usually, I don’t like them. But I > want them, I suppose you could say that. I admire Madame Serpentina.” > > > I wouldn’t be surprised if this was Wolfe’s own attitude toward women > speaking through Barnes. He could find things to admire in some women, but > he didn’t really like them. Just my guess, for what it’s worth. > > The [EXTERNAL] tag in the subject line identifies emails that do NOT > originate from an ETSU person or service. Please exercise caution when > handling emails from external sources. Any email that is unsolicited and > requires you to take immediate action, appears to be forged or is PHISHING > for information can be verified by emailing the ITS Help Desk. > _______________________________________________ --- ### Marc Aramini *31 Jan 2020, 23:10 · in reply to Aishling Mooney* On Urth no one can hear you scream ... > On Friday, January 31, 2020, Aishling Mooney > wrote: > Please unsubscribe me from your mailing list aislingmooney777 at gmail.com > Thank you > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2020, 12:28 , wrote: >> Send Urth mailing list submissions to >> urth at lists.urth.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> urth-request at lists.urth.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> urth-owner at lists.urth.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Urth digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women (Norwood, Frederick Hudson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:20:29 +0000 >> From: "Norwood, Frederick Hudson" >> To: The Urth Mailing List >> Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women >> Message-ID: >> > namprd07.prod.outlook.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I strongly urge all involved to drop this discussion, which I’m afraid I >> started, and return to the subject of Gene Wolfe. >> >> Rick >> >> From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Charles >> Gillingham >> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 1:51 PM >> To: The Urth Mailing List >> Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women >> >> "Idiot" is an ableist slur... >> >> Some of the most vulgar societies were the most stable. Walking down any >> given street in Augustus' Rome would have disgusted us. The graffiti in >> Pompeii was worse than any I've seen growing up in the hood. Evolution >> isn't always a clean or polite process. The battle of ideas is just as >> dirty and violent as any other battle for survival. >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 10:32 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > wrote: >> If you can't figure out a way to politely tell someone that they are an >> idiot who should go jump off a pier, your linguistic skills are sadly >> lacking. And that is no excuse for rudeness. >> >> Papa Heinlein, he say: when courtesy goes by the wayside, that >> civilization is in decline. >> >> Note also that "civil" and "civilization" are intimately related words. >> >> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes >> >> Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo! >> --T?a???ke Witk? >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:11 AM Charles Gillingham < >> charlesgillingham at gmail.com> wrote: >> Controlling speech is just one step away from controlling thought, which >> is controlling action. Freedom of speech isn't freedom to compliment or >> placate or agree with the majority (or belligerent minority, in this case). >> It's freedom to disagree with authority, to be rude and controversial. But >> sure if you want to be polite when someone tells you to come with them, go >> ahead be as nice as you want. >> >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > wrote: >> Rick, you got it in one. >> >> I'm someone who occasionally says some of those rude things. I'm old >> enough to remember when it was "normal". But I come down fully on the side >> of "political correctness", or, as it is properly know, politeness. >> >> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes >> >> Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo! >> --T?a???ke Witk? >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson < >> NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> wrote: >> In my experience, people who complain about having to be “politically >> correct” are people who want to say rude things and are really complaining >> about not being allowed to be rude. >> >> Rick >> >> From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net> lists.urth.net>] On Behalf Of Gem Caccetta >> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15 PM >> To: urth at lists.urth.net >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe & Women >> >> >> On Wed Jan 29 2020 Ab de Dos wrote: >> >> "I believe the politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of being a >> christian misogynist?" >> >> >> >> I know Wolfe’s portrayal of women has been discussed many times on this >> list. I found this tidbit from my recent re-reading of Free Live Free >> interesting: >> >> Free says??You like women, don’t you, Mr. Barnes? >> >> “Like them?” Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment. “Not really. >> I want them, and since I can’t have them, usually, I don’t like them. But I >> want them, I suppose you could say that. I admire Madame Serpentina.” >> >> >> I wouldn’t be surprised if this was Wolfe’s own attitude toward women >> speaking through Barnes. He could find things to admire in some women, but >> he didn’t really like them. Just my guess, for what it’s worth. >> >> The [EXTERNAL] tag in the subject line identifies emails that do NOT >> originate from an ETSU person or service. Please exercise caution when >> handling emails from external sources. Any email that is unsolicited and >> requires you to take immediate action, appears to be forged or is PHISHING >> for information can be verified by emailing the ITS Help Desk. >> _______________________________________________ ---