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Re: [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women (Norwood, Frederick Hudson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:20:29 +0000 > From: "Norwood, Frederick Hudson" > To: The Urth Mailing List > Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women > Message-ID: > < > BN7PR07MB44990E36F4D264CDE94E3AED82070 at BN7PR07MB4499.namprd07.prod.outlook.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I strongly urge all involved to drop this discussion, which I’m afraid I > started, and return to the subject of Gene Wolfe. > > Rick > > From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Charles > Gillingham > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 1:51 PM > To: The Urth Mailing List > Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women > > "Idiot" is an ableist slur... > > Some of the most vulgar societies were the most stable. Walking down any > given street in Augustus' Rome would have disgusted us. The graffiti in > Pompeii was worse than any I've seen growing up in the hood. Evolution > isn't always a clean or polite process. The battle of ideas is just as > dirty and violent as any other battle for survival. > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 10:32 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > wrote: > If you can't figure out a way to politely tell someone that they are an > idiot who should go jump off a pier, your linguistic skills are sadly > lacking. And that is no excuse for rudeness. > > Papa Heinlein, he say: when courtesy goes by the wayside, that > civilization is in decline. > > Note also that "civil" and "civilization" are intimately related words. > > Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo! > --T?a???ke Witk? > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:11 AM Charles Gillingham < > charlesgillingham at gmail.com> wrote: > Controlling speech is just one step away from controlling thought, which > is controlling action. Freedom of speech isn't freedom to compliment or > placate or agree with the majority (or belligerent minority, in this case). > It's freedom to disagree with authority, to be rude and controversial. But > sure if you want to be polite when someone tells you to come with them, go > ahead be as nice as you want. > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes danldo at gmail.com>> wrote: > Rick, you got it in one. > > I'm someone who occasionally says some of those rude things. I'm old > enough to remember when it was "normal". But I come down fully on the side > of "political correctness", or, as it is properly know, politeness. > > Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo! > --T?a???ke Witk? > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson < > NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> wrote: > In my experience, people who complain about having to be “politically > correct” are people who want to say rude things and are really complaining > about not being allowed to be rude. > > Rick > > From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net urth-bounces at lists.urth.net>] On Behalf Of Gem Caccetta > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15 PM > To: urth at lists.urth.net > Subject: [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe & Women > > > On Wed Jan 29 2020 Ab de Dos wrote: > > "I believe the politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of being a > christian misogynist?" > > > > I know Wolfe’s portrayal of women has been discussed many times on this > list. I found this tidbit from my recent re-reading of Free Live Free > interesting: > > Free says??You like women, don’t you, Mr. Barnes?? > > “Like them?” Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment. “Not really. > I want them, and since I can’t have them, usually, I don’t like them. But I > want them, I suppose you could say that. I admire Madame Serpentina.” > > > I wouldn’t be surprised if this was Wolfe’s own attitude toward women > speaking through Barnes. He could find things to admire in some women, but > he didn’t really like them. Just my guess, for what it’s worth. > > The [EXTERNAL] tag in the subject line identifies emails that do NOT > originate from an ETSU person or service. Please exercise caution when > handling emails from external sources. Any email that is unsolicited and > requires you to take immediate action, appears to be forged or is PHISHING > for information can be verified by emailing the ITS Help Desk. > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Marc Aramini — 31 Jan 2020, 23:10 in reply to Aishling Mooney On Urth no one can hear you scream ... > On Friday, January 31, 2020, Aishling Mooney > wrote: > Please unsubscribe me from your mailing list aislingmooney777 at gmail.com > Thank you > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2020, 12:28 , wrote: > > Send Urth mailing list submissions to > > urth at lists.urth.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > urth-request at lists.urth.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > urth-owner at lists.urth.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Urth digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women (Norwood, Frederick Hudson) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:20:29 +0000 > > From: "Norwood, Frederick Hudson" > > To: The Urth Mailing List > > Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women > > Message-ID: > > > namprd07.prod.outlook.com> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > I strongly urge all involved to drop this discussion, which I’m afraid I > > started, and return to the subject of Gene Wolfe. > > > > Rick > > > > From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Charles > > Gillingham > > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 1:51 PM > > To: The Urth Mailing List > > Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women > > > > "Idiot" is an ableist slur... > > > > Some of the most vulgar societies were the most stable. Walking down any > > given street in Augustus' Rome would have disgusted us. The graffiti in > > Pompeii was worse than any I've seen growing up in the hood. Evolution > > isn't always a clean or polite process. The battle of ideas is just as > > dirty and violent as any other battle for survival. > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 10:32 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > wrote: > > If you can't figure out a way to politely tell someone that they are an > > idiot who should go jump off a pier, your linguistic skills are sadly > > lacking. And that is no excuse for rudeness. > > > > Papa Heinlein, he say: when courtesy goes by the wayside, that > > civilization is in decline. > > > > Note also that "civil" and "civilization" are intimately related words. > > > > Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > > > Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo! > > --T?a???ke Witk? > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:11 AM Charles Gillingham < > > charlesgillingham at gmail.com> wrote: > > Controlling speech is just one step away from controlling thought, which > > is controlling action. Freedom of speech isn't freedom to compliment or > > placate or agree with the majority (or belligerent minority, in this case). > > It's freedom to disagree with authority, to be rude and controversial. But > > sure if you want to be polite when someone tells you to come with them, go > > ahead be as nice as you want. > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > wrote: > > Rick, you got it in one. > > > > I'm someone who occasionally says some of those rude things. I'm old > > enough to remember when it was "normal". But I come down fully on the side > > of "political correctness", or, as it is properly know, politeness. > > > > Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > > > Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo! > > --T?a???ke Witk? > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson < > > NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> wrote: > > In my experience, people who complain about having to be “politically > > correct” are people who want to say rude things and are really complaining > > about not being allowed to be rude. > > > > Rick > > > > From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net > lists.urth.net>] On Behalf Of Gem Caccetta > > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15 PM > > To: urth at lists.urth.net > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe & Women > > > > > > On Wed Jan 29 2020 Ab de Dos wrote: > > > > "I believe the politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of being a > > christian misogynist?" > > > > > > > > I know Wolfe’s portrayal of women has been discussed many times on this > > list. I found this tidbit from my recent re-reading of Free Live Free > > interesting: > > > > Free says??You like women, don’t you, Mr. Barnes? > > > > “Like them?” Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment. “Not really. > > I want them, and since I can’t have them, usually, I don’t like them. But I > > want them, I suppose you could say that. I admire Madame Serpentina.” > > > > > > I wouldn’t be surprised if this was Wolfe’s own attitude toward women > > speaking through Barnes. He could find things to admire in some women, but > > he didn’t really like them. Just my guess, for what it’s worth. > > > > The [EXTERNAL] tag in the subject line identifies emails that do NOT > > originate from an ETSU person or service. Please exercise caution when > > handling emails from external sources. Any email that is unsolicited and > > requires you to take immediate action, appears to be forged or is PHISHING > > for information can be verified by emailing the ITS Help Desk. > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------