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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/770",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 770,
    "subject": "Inire's Machines?",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1998-06-12T17:54:00+00:00",
    "last": "1998-06-12T23:04:46+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0013-0036@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "m.driussi",
        "address": "m.driussi at genie.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-06-12T17:54:00+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Inire's Machines?",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Spectacled Bear,\n\nFather Inire's machine?  Really!  I didn't know he had any.  So this\ntower stomping around underground does not pre-date the Autarchy,\nsince Inire serves the Autarchs from Ymar to Severian (and\nValeria's regency, presumably).\n\nThe mine shaft was begun in (one year before) the era of the\nConciliator (or \"week of the Conciliator\") (V, ch. 34, last page).\nThe Autarchy began sometime after the era of the Conciliator.\n\nHmmm.\n\nWell, ships are built within bottles, after all.\n\nAnd Cyriaca's tale tells of bad machines digging down to the twisted\nroots of trees and finding, essentially, Pandora's box of\ntechno-toys, so there you have it.  But her tale places these bad\nmachines at a time far distant, at the long decline of the First\nEmpire.  Which presumably comes before Typhon's attempt at a Second\nEmpire; and Typhon comes before Autarchy.  Long time, maybe even deep\ntime according to some.\n\n=mantis=\n\n(Would my wife be \"mantisa\" or \"womantic\"?  Do I have a choice?)\n\n=m="
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0013-0038@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Peter Westlake",
        "address": "peter at harlequin.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "1998-06-12T23:04:46+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Inire's Machines?",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0013-0036@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 17:54 1998/06/12 GMT, you wrote:\nSpectacled Bear,\n\nFather Inire's machine?  Really!  I didn't know he had any."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "His teleporting mirrors strike me as high-tech in the extreme.\nAm I missing something fundamental here?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "So this\ntower stomping around underground does not pre-date the Autarchy,\nsince Inire serves the Autarchs from Ymar to Severian (and\nValeria's regency, presumably)."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "The forged letter says that the treasure belongs to the Autarch\nand is guarded by \"certain servitors of Father Inire's\" (Claw, ch 5).\nThe treasure exists, one or more sets of guards exist, and the\nman-apes are commanded by the Autarch (Claw, ch 6). So that part\nof the letter is born out, and Father Inire is responsible for\nat least the man-apes. Given that, isn't it reasonable for him\nto be responsible for a greater guard, to be invoked when the apes\naren't coping?\n\nHaving said that, I'm quite happy for the tower to have been there\nfor ages and been awakened by the Claw instead. Or combine the two\ntheories and have it found down there, refurbished and pressed into\nservice. (I quite like that idea, come to think of it.)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "The mine shaft was begun in (one year before) the era of the\nConciliator (or \"week of the Conciliator\") (V, ch. 34, last page).\nThe Autarchy began sometime after the era of the Conciliator.\n\nHmmm.\n\nWell, ships are built within bottles, after all."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "They are, but it seems like hard work. Especially if you have\na set of teleporting mirrors. Or maybe it was there all the time\nas you suggest, the miners found it, and that's why this particular\nmine was used as a treasure-house in the first place.\n\nSBear.\n\nP.S. teleporting mirrors, ships in bottles - you are Hethor, and\nI claim my five pounds!"
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
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