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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 785, "subject": "Inferno", "messages": 2, "voices": 2, "first": "1998-06-15T00:07:00+00:00", "last": "1998-06-15T09:15:08+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "m.driussi", "address": "m.driussi at genie.com" }, "date": "1998-06-15T00:07:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Inferno", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Or vo' che sappi che l'altra fiata\nchi'i' discesi qua giu nel basso inferno,\nquesta roccia non era ancor cascata.\nMa certo poco pria, se ben discerno,\nche venisse colui che la gran preda\nlevo a Dite del cerchio superno,\nda tutte parti l'alta valle feda\ntremo si, ch'i' pensai che l'universo\nsentisse amor, per lo qual e chi creda\npiu volte il mondo in caosso converso;\ne in quel punto questa vecchia roccia,\nqui e altrove, tal fece riverso.\n(Canto XII, lines 34-45)\n\nalga,\n\nOh, right! \"The one who took/from Dis the highest circle's splendid\nspoils\" must be Herakles bringing Kerberus up for Labor Twelve. \n\nAnd on =that= topic, since we've figured out that the quote David\nuses in 5HC regarding the iron doggie in the yard comes from the\nbeginning of the Euripedes play \"[something] Heracles\" (either \"The\nMadness of Heracles\" or \"The Distraction of Heracles\" or maybe sometimes\njust \"Heracles\"), what do we make of that?\n\nThe iron doggie stands in the yard at 666. This, then, is the exit\npoint of the demigod hero on his last labor--next stop, godhood.\n(Who would that be in 5HC--M.Million?) But in the Heracles story,\nthere was a big rush to get the dog back, wasn't there? Here the dog\nstands. Sure, it is an obvious \"welcome to hell\" gag (\"where I am,\nhell is\" quoth the dog paraphrasing Herr Doktor Faustus). But it also\nseems to be a signal that \"if I'm not guarding hell, then the dead\nare free to mingle with the living,\" or perhaps even \"death has\nstopped because I have been chained here\"--a sentiment borne out in\nsinister shades by the self-cloning tradition (which forcefully\ndenies the death of an individual) and the dream where the ship's\nmast has become a tree that roots the ship to the ground.\n\n=mantis=" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Peter Stephenson", "address": "pws at ifh.de" }, "date": "1998-06-15T09:15:08+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Inferno", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "m.driussi at genie.com wrote:\nOr vo' che sappi che l'altra fiata\nchi'i' discesi qua giu nel basso inferno,\nquesta roccia non era ancor cascata.\nMa certo poco pria, se ben discerno,\nche venisse colui che la gran preda\nlevo a Dite del cerchio superno,\nda tutte parti l'alta valle feda\ntremo si, ch'i' pensai che l'universo\nsentisse amor, per lo qual e chi creda\npiu volte il mondo in caosso converso;\ne in quel punto questa vecchia roccia,\nqui e altrove, tal fece riverso.\n(Canto XII, lines 34-45)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oh, goody, can I have a go?\n\nLast time I took a trip, I'd better say,\nTo this great depth to fry my bacon,\nThe stone had not yet come away.\nBut just before (if I'm not much mistaken)\nThe One took that great booty up from Dis,\nThe prize from Gods (or upper circle?) shaken, [*]\nOn every side this wretched wilderness\nFell trembling, and it seemed a universal\nFeeling of His love; some say that bliss\nHas often brought the world's dispersal;\nAnd here and there the ancient rock\nWas knocked off, lying in reversal.\n\n[*] Attempted theatrical joke. Gods = gallery. (Well, it's a *comedy*,\ndamn you!)\n\n[Yeah, I know, it needs some work anyway. `The Divine Comedy before\nDante took the jokes out.' Don't hold your breath.]" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Oh, right! \"The one who took/from Dis the highest circle's splendid\nspoils\" must be Herakles bringing Kerberus up for Labor Twelve. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "this is also a joke, right? I'm out of my depth again (which is somewhere\nin Malbolges), but I think it's clear it refers to the earthquake which\naccompanied the rending of the curtain in the temple, followed by the\n`harrowing of hell', i.e. the visitor is Christ. Yes, I realise everyone\nknew that anyway.\n\nWe now return you to the Mines of Saltus, where our correspondent is\nwatching operations from the safety of the cave mouth." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Peter Stephenson Tel: +39 50 844536\nWWW: http://www.ifh.de/~pws/\nGruppo Teorico, Dipartimento di Fisica\nPiazza Torricelli 2, 56100 Pisa, Italy" } ] } ] }