{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/833", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 833, "subject": "Gorgeous Borges", "messages": 4, "voices": 2, "first": "1998-06-19T13:45:49+00:00", "last": "1998-06-22T11:56:00+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "straight at email.unc.edu" }, "date": "1998-06-19T13:45:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Gorgeous Borges", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I submit Jorge Luis Borges's short story \"The Immortal\" for the those\nlooking for Lupine precursors. \n\nThe narrator's journey reminds me of tBotNS in ways I can't put my finger\non. The fictitious manuscript and the characters from antiquity remind\nme of the Soldier books. But most of all, there is that confusion about\nthe narrator's identity that Wolfe loves so much (\"Fondly Fahrenheit\" by\nAlfred Bester also seems like an important story in that regard).\n\nIs anyone able to better articulate what is so Wolfeish about this story?\n\n-Rostrum\n\nP.S. -- Yes, I know how to pronounce 'Borges'. It was just a joke." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Pedro Jorge Romero", "address": "bempjr at redkbs.com" }, "date": "1998-06-19T21:26:46+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Gorgeous Borges", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Michael Straight escribió:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I submit Jorge Luis Borges's short story \"The Immortal\" for the those\nlooking for Lupine precursors.\n\nThe narrator's journey reminds me of tBotNS in ways I can't put my finger\non. The fictitious manuscript and the characters from antiquity remind\nme of the Soldier books. But most of all, there is that confusion about\nthe narrator's identity that Wolfe loves so much (\"Fondly Fahrenheit\" by\nAlfred Bester also seems like an important story in that regard).\nIs anyone able to better articulate what is so Wolfeish about this story?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, the main character does not know what's really going on... till\nthe end.\n\nI think \"The theologians\" is a much more interesting story regarding the\nconfusion of characters. " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "P.S. -- Yes, I know how to pronounce 'Borges'. It was just a joke." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Best\n\nPedro Jorge" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "straight at email.unc.edu" }, "date": "1998-06-22T08:27:33+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Gorgeous Borges", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Pedro Jorge Romero wrote:\nMichael Straight escribió:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I submit Jorge Luis Borges's short story \"The Immortal\" for the those\nlooking for Lupine precursors.\n\nThe narrator's journey reminds me of tBotNS in ways I can't put my finger\non. The fictitious manuscript and the characters from antiquity remind\nme of the Soldier books. But most of all, there is that confusion about\nthe narrator's identity that Wolfe loves so much (\"Fondly Fahrenheit\" by\nAlfred Bester also seems like an important story in that regard).\nIs anyone able to better articulate what is so Wolfeish about this story?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Well, the main character does not know what's really going on... till\nthe end." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Also, I forgot to mention that the disposition of the immortals when the\nprotagonist meets them reminds me somewhat of the episode of Stanislaw\nLem's _Cyberiad_ where one of the constructors visits the most advanced\nand powerful planet in the universe. \n\nHas Wolfe ventured a public opinion of Lem's work? Is he a fan?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I think \"The theologians\" is a much more interesting story regarding the\nconfusion of characters. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Mmm. Good one. It's also more witty, if I remember correctly." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "P.S. -- Yes, I know how to pronounce 'Borges'. It was just a joke." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "i.e. it doesn't really rhyme with 'gorgeous'.\n\n-Rostrum" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Pedro Jorge Romero", "address": "bempjr at redkbs.com" }, "date": "1998-06-22T11:56:00+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Gorgeous Borges", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I think \"The theologians\" is a much more interesting story regarding the\nconfusion of characters." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Mmm. Good one. It's also more witty, if I remember correctly." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You do. He does not have to explain the ending like in \"The inmortal\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "P.S. -- Yes, I know how to pronounce 'Borges'. It was just a joke." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "i.e. it doesn't really rhyme with 'gorgeous'." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sorry, I was thinking of a different explanation. Borges used to be\ncalled \"Georgie\" by his family (his mother used to called him that till\na very advanced age).\n\nBest\n\nPedro Jorge" } ] } ] }