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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 85, "subject": "hellish hues", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "1997-07-06T13:27:27+00:00", "last": "1997-07-09T20:42:56+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew Freestone", "address": "matthew at matthewf.demon.co.uk" }, "date": "1997-07-06T13:27:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) hellish hues", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hi,\nA few more points on 'Hues...'\n\nNutria:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Moreover, it is clear that Kyle (largely a machine) wants Marilyn. Did \nhe kill Skip? The implications are that he did." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Where did you infer this from? Near the end of the story, Marilyn asks\nKyle, 'Can you cure him (Skip)?'. Kyle answers, 'I think so...' Surely\nthis implies he's still alive. Or do you think Kyle is lying? If so, how\ndid he get away with the murder in what seems to be a pretty small ship?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "When the shadow man dies, Marilyn feels her baby move. Clearly, the \nshadow man has moved into her womb. Antichrist is soon to be born. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree with this, and that it's the fundamental point of the story. In\nparticular, Polyaris' cry of 'Danger! Fire! Flood!' made me think of the\napocalypse. \n\nAlga:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "(I thought it was a parrot, not a macaw)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Definitely a macaw, on the first page: 'like all macaws, Polyaris doted\non microgravity.'\n\nRon:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The shadow being is kept in some type of stasis field, not called that\nbut referred to as a \"yolk;\" this \"yolk\" only appears when the shadow\nbeing is brought on board." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I thought what was happening here was that the yolk was just part of the\nshadow matter (a theorised form of dark matter that only interacts with\nour universe through gravitation, hence the fact that it can only be\nseen using visualisers linked to the gravity field generators) the crew\npicked up before they got the shadow man/demon. \n\nOne final quote: \n\"Marilyn asked, 'How does he look, Ky?'. 'Like hell,' Kyle muttered.\"\n\nAnd one question: \nWhat's the film Kyle is thinking of when he tells Skip that for as long\nas he is ill, 'I am the master.'?\n-- II |\\ _,,,---,,_\nMatt Freestone II zzz. /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_.\nmatthew at matthewf.demon.co.uk II |,4- ) )-,_. ,\\ ( `'-'\nwww.matthewf.demon.co.uk/ II '---''(_/--' `-'\\_)" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jim Jordan", "address": "jbjordan at gnt.net" }, "date": "1997-07-08T00:32:29+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) hellish hues", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Nutria:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Moreover, it is clear that Kyle (largely a machine) wants Marilyn. Did \nhe kill Skip? The implications are that he did." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Where did you infer this from? Near the end of the story, Marilyn asks\nKyle, 'Can you cure him (Skip)?'. Kyle answers, 'I think so...' Surely\nthis implies he's still alive. Or do you think Kyle is lying? If so, how\ndid he get away with the murder in what seems to be a pretty small ship?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\tIf I'm right (hey, who knows?), Kyle has been doing a lot of lying. But\nSkip claims to have died on the mother ship, so if Kyle did it (or arranged\nfor it -- I note that Skip does not accuse him directly), he did it there. " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "And one question: \nWhat's the film Kyle is thinking of when he tells Skip that for as long\nas he is ill, 'I am the master.'?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\t\"The Day the Earth Stood Still,\" from \"Farewell to the Master,\" by -- uh,\noh, my 47 years are catching up with me. But hey, is \"I am the master\" from\nthe film? I remember it as the last line of the story, but not from the\nfilm. Did Wolfe slip up? (The story is in the classic anthology of the\ngolden age, *Adventures in Space and Time* by McNealy and Comas (?)).\n\tIf you don't know, Klaatu is the ambassador to earth from the galactic\ncivilization, and he is accompanied by a robot named Gort. Everyone thinks\nGort is just a servant, but he is actually a member of the robot-warrior\ncorps that rules (supervises, polices) the galactic civilization -- in the\nfilm, anyway. The original story has an O'Henry ending, in which Gort\ninforms us that we have mis-read the story all along, and that he is the\nmaster of Klaatu (the humanoid ambassador). Very Wolfean.\n\nNutria. (Klaatu, verada niktu!)\n\n(Listen to the thereminvox melody and chord progressions in \"Day the Earth\"\nand you'll hear them again occasionally in \"Mars Attacks!\")" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "RRHMAH", "address": "rrhmah at aol.com" }, "date": "1997-07-09T20:42:56+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) hellish hues", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In a message dated 97-07-08 17:36:19 EDT, Nutria writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\t\"The Day the Earth Stood Still,\" from \"Farewell to the Master,\" by -- uh,\n oh, my 47 years are catching up with me. But hey, is \"I am the master\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "from" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " the film? I remember it as the last line of the story, but not from the\n film. Did Wolfe slip up? (The story is in the classic anthology of the\n golden age, *Adventures in Space and Time* by McNealy and Comas (?))." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"Farewell to the Master\" was by Harry Bates, I believe. And that marvelous\nanthology is _Adventures in Time and Space_, edited by Raymond Healy and J.\nFrancis McComas (the latter a founding editor of F&SF).\n\nRich Horton" } ] } ] }