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  "thread": {
    "id": 893,
    "subject": "Palaemon as Severian0",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1998-07-02T18:19:29+00:00",
    "last": "1998-07-02T18:19:29+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0015-0070@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "mary whalen",
        "address": "marewhalen at yahoo.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-07-02T18:19:29+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Palaemon as Severian0",
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      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "This is Sean Whalen (prion).\n\nI was thinking about how Palaemon may be Gene Wolfe's original concept\nfor how the story of Sev would go (The Feast of St. Catherine).  Well,\nthe original Palaemon in mythology was the name of two characters: \nthe first name of Hercules and the second name of Melicertes. \nMelicertes was thrown into the water as a boy, and either drowned or\nwas saved by a dolphin, but either way was then made a sea god.  His\nmother drowned and became the goddess Leukothea (White Goddess).  This\nseems quite a bit like what happens to the Severian we know.  Also,\nMelicertes means beekeeper, any relation to the Honey Steward who\nbecame Autarch?  Does Leukothea relate to Catherine being like\nKatharine, who was killed on the wheel and became a saint?\n\nThere's some circular connections in the naming of Hercules and\nMelicertes, too.  Some people think Melicertes is just a corruption of\nthe Canaanite name Melkarth/Melquart, the equivalent of Hercules in\nCanaan.  Melkarth means lord of the city.\n\nNow, some free-association with Palaemon.  Palaimon is Greek for\nwrestler.  Palaistra was a wrestling school or educational school\n(palaestra!).  Palaemon was in charge of education at the guild. \nPalaios means old, and he's old.  Palin means back again or again,\nsignifying his return to the guild after exile and him being an analog\nof Severian.\n\nThere seems to be a lot of association here.  I may as well make one\nother speculation:  could Palaemon be Severian's maternal grandfather?\n\nprion"
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