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  "thread": {
    "id": 920,
    "subject": "black holes again...",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1998-07-05T13:57:13+00:00",
    "last": "1998-07-05T13:57:13+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0015-0117@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Matthew Freestone",
        "address": "matthew at matthewf.demon.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "1998-07-05T13:57:13+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) black holes again...",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Okay, this is definitely my last post on black holes unless I find some\nscientific backup for either Prion's view or my own...\n\nPrion:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "The initial size of the black hole doesn't have much to do with the\ntime for the cycle to complete.  Any size of a hole would complete the\nprocess in under a minute (probably under thirty seconds, but I'm not\nsure)."
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          "text": "This is what you keep saying, but as I pointed out in my last post,\nsaying it's so don't make it so. I'm assuming from your comments to\nJason V. that you aren't yourself involved in cutting edge research on\nthe topic, so what is the basis for your claim? I'll accept citations\nfrom any recognised journal :-)\n\nPrion:"
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          "text": "The calculations that an astrophysicist would have to perform would be\nhow small the initial black hole would be before the outer part of the\nstar exploded before the black hole finished (as it would if the hole\nwas microscopic).  I explained that stars which naturally create black\nholes at their cores (which our sun will never be able to do) either\nare going to fall entirely into the black hole (if it's big enough to\nabsorb it in some number of seconds) or partially explode (if it's\nsmaller and takes a few extra seconds)."
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          "text": "I didn't respond to this theory last time, but it seems to me to ignore\nthe crucial point that stars that go nova are already in the process of\ncollapse and this is what may create a central black hole. It doesn't\nfollow that putting a black hole in the centre of a main-sequence star\nwill have the same effect.\n\nJust to come back to your original contention that the worm in the sun\nwas a wormhole because it couldn't be a black hole: I think that basing\nthis on current physical theories doesn't really help you: \n\nOn the one hand, wormholes are currently pure speculation on the part of\nphysicists - they have all kinds of weird properties that nobody knows\nhow to create. It's just as physically plausible to argue that it is\npossible to moderate black holes absorption rates in some way (perhaps\nHawking radiation can be increased), as it is to claim that it is\npossible to create wormholes.\n\nOn the other, the Urth universe is not necessarily similar to our own\nanyway: there are no currently known equivalents to Briah, or to White\nFountains. Perhaps black holes work differently there.\n\nCheers,\n--                              II         |\\      _,,,---,,_\nMatt Freestone                  II    zzz. /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_.\nmatthew at matthewf.demon.co.uk    II        |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\\ (  `'-'\nwww.matthewf.demon.co.uk/       II       '---''(_/--'  `-'\\_)"
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