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  "thread": {
    "id": 931,
    "subject": "A Solar Labyrinth DUH",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1998-07-06T23:17:41+00:00",
    "last": "1998-07-07T08:34:09+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0015-0145@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jim Jordan",
        "address": "jbjordan at gnt.net"
      },
      "date": "1998-07-06T23:17:41+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) A Solar Labyrinth DUH",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "At 09:59 PM 7/6/98 -0500, you wrote:\nNutria here. I wrote:\nAll kinds of religious symbols mark the labyrinth:\nlampposts - shed light, truth.\npillar-box - a mailbox, for the Word, for prayer, communication.\nfountains - for baptism, the Spirit.\nyawl - ship - the church.\ndead tree with roses - the rose-decorated cross."
        },
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          "text": "FOUNTAIN\nSHIP\nROSE\n\nWell, d'UH, as you younger folks say. Old Clutee had his finger on\nsomething, at least. Moreover, since the Sun is the within-creation\nrepresentative of God in this story, that'd be another linque to the\nSeverian Cycle. Also, \"the sun's red disk\" would be hint, though sunrise is\nall that is meant here.\n\tI was asked by private email about why \"glasses help.\" Let me try a stab.\nFirst, boys tend to enjoy the maze more than girls, though not by much. If\nI put on my Catholic hat (I am after all, shudder, a Calvinist!), perhaps\nthis means that women tend to relax and live by faith, while men tend to be\nmore active and seek good works as well. More mystics are women. Don't know\nif that is true historically, but I can see Wolfe thinking that way. A\nmystic would not bother with the maze; an activist would.\n\tThey must be young, but not too young. \"Childlike faith\" isn't interested\nin the maze. Youth explores.\n\tGlasses help. Ah, Gene, thou trickster. I strongly suspect that \"glass\"\nhere means mirror, not spectacles. The mirror is for self-examination, an\nessential part of the walk of faith.\n\n\tAnother note: a sandstone 12 on a (sandstone) sundial. Hourglasses use\nsand, of course, but possibly the impermanence of this present creation is\nin view. Jesus warned against building on sand, because of its\nimpermanence. This world will pass away. The eternal world is built on The\nRock (God, Christ).\n\n\tThe new maze is the first since the Age of Myth. In other words, it is\nChristianity: a new *kind* of maze.\n\n\tMinotaur as anti-christ, Satan: His roar interrupts the words of Mr. Smith.\n\n\tThe passing cloud that offers rescue to adults MAY allude to the pillar of\ncloud-and-fire that led Israel through the wilderness.\n\n\tFinally, \"dialing\" is the act of making sundials, and obviously relates to\nthe story. A solar labyrinth is a labyrinthian sundial. Nothing to do with\ntelevision or telephone. What USED to be called \"dialing.\" An old term.\nLook in the OED for more.\n\nJim Jordan"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0015-0151@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Marc Coleman",
        "address": "marc.coleman at mwcia.org"
      },
      "date": "1998-07-07T08:34:09+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) A Solar Labyrinth DUH",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0015-0145@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "perhaps\nthis means that women tend to relax and live by faith, while men tend to be\nmore active and seek good works as well. More mystics are women. Don't know\nif that is true historically, but I can see Wolfe thinking that way. A\nmystic would not bother with the maze; an activist would."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Like what you wrote overall, but can't agree that mystics are passive.  I'm\na very pro-active mystic, like Severian...      marc"
        }
      ]
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