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  "thread": {
    "id": 951,
    "subject": "Isangoma",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1998-07-10T10:26:03+00:00",
    "last": "1998-07-10T10:26:03+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0016-0040@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "mary whalen",
        "address": "marewhalen at yahoo.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-07-10T10:26:03+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Isangoma",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "This is Sean Whalen (prion).\n\nMantis, when I looked through the _Lexicon Urthus_ and the Errata\nSheet, I noticed that on the sheet you put the correction that\nTokoloshe are from Africa, so you speculate that Robert and Marie may\nbe in equatorial Africa.  I think that they are probably in South\nAmerica, but it is Isangoma who is from a different place.  The future.\n\nStudying the section, Isangoma talks like the other people of Urth\nmany times.  He talks about killing hesperorns and oreodonts, both of\nwhich are exctinct animals in Earth, but not in Earth.  He also uses\nthe LATIN word Numen to describe his god, and it is unlikely that R\nand M would have taught him that word, or the previous ones I\nmentioned.  It's for this reason that he says tokoloshe, that's not\nthe word he's using, it's just the closest translation of the Urth\nterm he's using and need not be a South American word (the entire Book\nof the New Sun takes place in SA but words from many places are used\nto translate the words of every character).\n\nApparently, Robert and Marie probably went to South America, but came\nto the exact spot where Inire had put (one of) the entrance(s) to the\nJungle Garden.  When they looked for a tribe to preach to, they came\nto one of the Urth tribes Inire had put into (or connected purposely\nsome other way) the Garden who lived near or by the entrance to the\npast and actually began to try to teach the primitive people from the\nfuture.\n\nI don't think that R and M are people from Urth who have been\nbrainwashed by Inire, because it seems odd to put a perfect replica of\n19th or 20th century Earth into their brains if he doesn't change the\nbrains of Isangoma and his tribe (who still know about the animals\nthey have aroun).  Also, Severian can clearly see the plane, which is\nprobably real.\n\nAlso, this wouldn't explain why Robert could see them and Marie can't.\n Robert, if a real person from Earth, would be able to see them\nbecause he's an artist, and trained to see what is there, rather than\nto see what he expects, as I believe Wolfe has said at at least one\ntime.\n\nOn a slightly different subject, in the _Lexicon Urthus_ the listing\nis for the Botanical Gardens; this should be the Botanic Gardens.\n\nprion"
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