# Urth condemned, the Autarch's memories *The Urth list — 1 messages, 1 voices, 14 Jul 1998* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Mark Andersen *14 Jul 1998, 09:56* 1) > adam louis stephanides wrote: > the Autarchy > was created about the same time as Urth was condemned by the > Hierogrammates (the end of Typhon's reign), This statement really rang the alarm bells for me. I wonder now if Typhon's hubris, setting himself and his family up as gods to be worshipped on the Whorl, was the abomination that led to the condemnation of Urth? Were there other Whorls besides the one we read of in the Long Sun (almost certainly, I would guess)? Is this a substantive link or a coincidental link between the Long Sun's story of true vs. false gods and the New Sun's story of true vs. false redemption? > m.driussi at genie.com wrote: > We > even have text (in URTH) to show what that is like: the old > autarch(s) gather up and say, "Find somebody else right now (because > you are dying)." My impression has always been that this is because they wish to live on. Thus the personalities of the dead Autarchs insist :"Find another" (body for us to live in)! cheers, Buteo ``` Dr. Mark C. Andersen, Department of Fishery and Wildlife Sciences New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM 88003-0003 voice:(505) 646-8034 FAX: (505) 646-1281 manderse at nmsu.edu, http://leopold.nmsu.edu/manderse/markhome.htm ``` ---