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  "thread": {
    "id": 99,
    "subject": "Endagered Species",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "1997-07-14T15:39:12+00:00",
    "last": "1997-07-14T15:39:12+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0002-0159@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Joel Priddy",
        "address": "jpriddy at saturn.vcu.edu"
      },
      "date": "1997-07-14T15:39:12+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Endagered Species",
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          "text": "I'm still working out my whole Wolfe-women thinga-ma-doogey in\ntypically slow, plodding fashion. Upon closer inspection and\nslower reflection I'd been leaning towards it having more and\nmore to do with the perception of the particular protagonists. It\nseems most apparent in _New_Sun_ but much less so in _Long_Sun.\nThis is in equal proportion to the difference between Severian\nand Silk.\n\nBut then...\n\nWith the recent discussion of _Endangered_Species_ I stumbled on\nthis in the Introduction, where he is describing his reader:\n  \"You are both a woman, amused by men, and a man, enthralled by\nwomen. You realize that it is only in our own time that life has\nbecome easy enough to permit a handful of us to abrogate our\nancient alliance...\"\n\nWhat the hell?\nWhat is he saying here? I assume that the alliance he refers to\nis the co-existence of men and women in society for purposes of\nprocreation. For my fellow non-English majors out there,\n\"abrogate\" means to abolish or treat as nonexistent. \n\nCertainly between population size and technology life has become\neasy enough in the past century to allow Feminism and Gay Rights\nto become mainstream issues. Not having to build a large\nfamily/work force as a matter of survival has given us all sorts\nof luxuries in the realms of sex and gender. But I don't think\nthis would be described as an abrogation of our ancient alliance.\nHe doesn't say \"re-negotiate,\" as in a shift of power between men\nand women. So, is he talking about the two sexes going their\nseparate ways? Monks and nuns? Amazons and Spartans?\n\nWolfe's a husband and a father, so he must consider interaction\nbetween the sexes to be beneficial (not that I want to delve too\ndeeply into his personal life here). \n\nAny ideas? Am I just missing some obvious point?\n\ncephalothorax"
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