{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/999", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 999, "subject": "Claudius", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "1998-07-16T16:04:27+00:00", "last": "1998-07-18T12:36:57+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Alex David Groce", "address": "adgroce at eos.ncsu.edu" }, "date": "1998-07-16T16:04:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Claudius", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\tHas there been any discussion on the list (sorry, I'm new and haven't\nhad time to exhaustively browse the archives) of similarities between Severian\nand Claudius, both the historical emperor and the charming narrator of the two\nRobert Graves novels?\n\n\tI'd have to refer to the books to recall the whole correlation, but\nmajor points include the unlikely lamed emperor, the prophetic implications of\nthe first chapter, their wives' names (though Severian's Valeria is no Valeria\nMessalina), and perhaps even the apparently catastrophic \"renewals\" (Severian's\nflood, Claudius' prediction of the dire reign of Nero)." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "\"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.\" - John 8:32\n--\nAlex David Groce (adgroce at eos.ncsu.edu)\nSenior (Computer Science/Multidisciplinary Studies in Technology & Fiction)\n'98-99 NCSU AITP Student Chapter President\n608 Charleston Road, Apt. 1E (919)-233-7366\nhttp://www4.ncsu.edu/~adgroce" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "CRCulver", "address": "crculver at aol.com" }, "date": "1998-07-17T03:56:23+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: Claudius", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Alex:\n< Has there been any discussion on the list (sorry, I'm new and haven't had\ntime to exhaustively browse the archives) of similarities between Severian and\nClaudius, both the historical emperor and the charming narrator of the two\nRobert Graves novels?>\n\nThe point that comes to mind first is that both Claudius and Severian plan to\nwrite a manuscript they believe no one will read and get rid of it in a lead\ncoffer.\n\nChristopher R. Culver \nhttp://members.aol.com/crculver/index.html" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Charles Dye", "address": "raster at highfiber.com" }, "date": "1998-07-18T12:36:57+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: Claudius", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "CRCulver at aol.com writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Alex:\n< Has there been any discussion on the list (sorry, I'm new and haven't had\ntime to exhaustively browse the archives) of similarities between Severian and\nClaudius, both the historical emperor and the charming narrator of the two\nRobert Graves novels?>" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The point that comes to mind first is that both Claudius and Severian plan to\nwrite a manuscript they believe no one will read and get rid of it in a lead\ncoffer." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The dead giveaway, for me anyhow, was the scene where Severian produces one\nof 'his' aes in the era of Typhon:\n\n He examined it, bit it, and gave it back to me. \"Gold all right.\n Looks a trifle like you, 'cept he seems to have got himself cut up.\n Don't suppose you noticed.\"\n\n \"No,\" I said. \"I never thought of it.\"\n\n Hadelin nodded and pushed back his chair. \"A man doesn't shave himself\n sidewise. See you in the morning, sieur, madame.\"\n\nCompare with a scene from \"Claudius the God\" chapter 6 :\n\n It pleased my vanity to have my head on the coins.... Portraits on\n coins, however, are always disappointing because they are executed in\n profile, and it comes as a shock, when one sees it in a portrait, that\n one really looks like that to people standing beside one. For one's\n full face, because of the familiarity that mirrors give it, a certain\n toleration and even affection is felt; but I must say that when I first\n saw the model that the mint-masters were striking for me I grew angry\n and asked whether it was intended to be a caricature.\n\nRobert Graves once did a translation of \"The Lives of the Twelve Caesars\"\nin which each Emperor's chapter was illustrated with the appropriate aureus.\n\nraster at highfiber.com" } ] } ] }