{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/usenet/49", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "usenet", "thread": { "id": 49, "subject": "Sword with Terminus Est", "messages": 5, "voices": 5, "first": "1991-04-12T21:53:04+00:00", "last": "1991-04-23T17:07:13+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Sridhar Dasari", "address": "sd1r+ at andrew.cmu.edu" }, "date": "1991-04-12T21:53:04+00:00", "subject": "Sword with Terminus Est", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was just reading Gene Wolfe's Shadow of the Torturer. The swrod with\nthe engraving called Terminus Est was mentioned. The name rings a bell;\n where did I hear this name before? The only famous swords I can think\nof are Excalibur, and Roland's sword (name starts with a C, I think) \nAnyone who can help me on this one?\n\n\n\n--------------------------\nSridhar H. Dasari\nsd1r+ at andrew.cmu.edu\n\nThe sign of an educated person is how clear was the line in his mind\nbetween what he knew and what he didn't know.\n\t\t\t- Irving Babbitt\n\nAn insufficient talent is the cruelest of all temptations.\n\t\t\t- anonymous\n\nThe average woman would rather have beauty than brains, because the\naverage man can see better than he can think.\n\t\t\t- Farrah Fawcett" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1991Apr16.113525.3350@odin.diku.dk>", "from": { "name": "Klaus Ole Kristiansen", "address": "klaus at diku.dk" }, "date": "1991-04-16T11:35:25+00:00", "subject": "Re: Sword with Terminus Est", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "sd1r+ at andrew.cmu.edu (Sridhar Dasari) writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I was just reading Gene Wolfe's Shadow of the Torturer. The swrod with\nthe engraving called Terminus Est was mentioned. The name rings a bell;\nwhere did I hear this name before? The only famous swords I can think\nof are Excalibur, and Roland's sword (name starts with a C, I think) \nAnyone who can help me on this one?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I can not help, but I have a question:\n\nWouldn't Terminus Es be a better name?\n\nKlaus Kristiansen" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1991Apr18.170927.22201@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>", "from": { "name": "Steve Simmons", "address": "scs at lokkur.dexter.mi.us" }, "date": "1991-04-18T17:09:27+00:00", "subject": "Re: Sword with Terminus Est", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "klaus at diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "sd1r+ at andrew.cmu.edu (Sridhar Dasari) writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I was just reading Gene Wolfe's Shadow of the Torturer. The swrod with\nthe engraving called Terminus Est was mentioned. The name rings a bell;\nwhere did I hear this name before? The only famous swords I can think\nof are Excalibur, and Roland's sword (name starts with a C, I think) \nAnyone who can help me on this one?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I can not help, but I have a question:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Wouldn't Terminus Es be a better name?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Wolfe is usually worth reading closely. His translations from the Latin\nappear to be quite deliberately suspect. I pointed out several to a\nlatin-literate friend and she confirmed some significant differences\nbetween the phrases given and how the characters translated them. In\nparticular he translates \"Terminus Est\" as \"The dividing line\", but my\nfriend claims \"this is the end\" is a better translation.\n\nSorry, I can't bring other instances to mind." } ] }, { "message_id": "<1991Apr18.192444.6665@agate.berkeley.edu>", "from": { "name": "Paul DuBois", "address": "pdubois at tornado.berkeley.edu" }, "date": "1991-04-18T19:24:44+00:00", "subject": "Re: Sword with Terminus Est", "in_reply_to": "<1991Apr16.113525.3350@odin.diku.dk>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In article <1991Apr16.113525.3350 at odin.diku.dk> klaus at diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "sd1r+ at andrew.cmu.edu (Sridhar Dasari) writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I was just reading Gene Wolfe's Shadow of the Torturer. The swrod with\nthe engraving called Terminus Est was mentioned. The name rings a bell;\nwhere did I hear this name before? The only famous swords I can think\nof are Excalibur, and Roland's sword (name starts with a C, I think) \nAnyone who can help me on this one?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I can not help, but I have a question:\n\nWouldn't Terminus Es be a better name?\n\nKlaus Kristiansen" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't know any Latin, but somewhere in the series they mention the \ntranslation of Terminus Est as being \"The Dividing Line\" for semi-obvious\nreasons." } ] }, { "message_id": "<16969@chopin.udel.edu>", "from": { "name": "Chris Adams", "address": "hamlet at chopin.udel.edu" }, "date": "1991-04-23T17:07:13+00:00", "subject": "Re: Sword with Terminus Est", "in_reply_to": "<1991Apr18.170927.22201@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In article <1991Apr18.170927.22201 at lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs at lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Wolfe is usually worth reading closely. His translations from the Latin\nappear to be quite deliberately suspect. I pointed out several to a\nlatin-literate friend and she confirmed some significant differences\nbetween the phrases given and how the characters translated them. In\nparticular he translates \"Terminus Est\" as \"The dividing line\", but my\nfriend claims \"this is the end\" is a better translation." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, I can't really say how accurate Wolfe's other translations are, but\nhe's not as wrong as everyone keeps saying...\nterminus, in addition to meaning \"end,\" also can mean \"border\" or \"boundry.\"\nand what is a border if not a dividing line?\nthe est is definitely \"is\" and that's a little awkward, but he's not\nTHAT far off...\n\n\nlove and xxx,\nchris" } ] } ] }