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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "usenet", "thread": { "id": 68, "subject": "Gene Wolfe - two carpenters", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2007-04-26T06:02:19+00:00", "last": "2007-04-30T04:48:23+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<4144ea0fb3404d4b6e1ab8a74b14dbfe@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>", "from": { "name": "(unknown)", "address": "" }, "date": "2007-04-26T06:02:19+00:00", "subject": "Gene Wolfe - two carpenters", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "by John Farrell\nFirst Things http://www.firstthings.com\nApril 2007\n\n..Gene Wolfe's \"The Book of the New Sun\" started out as a long novella \nand rapidly grew to a four-volume science-fiction tour de force. The \nhero, Severian, is a lictor--a professional torturer--whose entire life \nhas been dedicated to the infliction of agony. \"It has been remarked \nthousands of times,\" Wolfe once said, \"that Christ died under torture. \nMany of us have read so often that he was 'a humble carpenter' that we \nfeel a little surge of nausea on seeing the words yet again. But no one \never seems to notice that the instruments of torture were wood, nails, \nand a hammer; that the man who built the cross was undoubtedly a \ncarpenter too; that the man who hammered in the nails was as much a \ncarpenter as a soldier, as much a carpenter as a torturer. Very few \nseem even to have noticed that although Christ was a 'humble \ncarpenter,' the only object we are specifically told he made was not a \ntable or a chair, but a whip.\"...\n==========\nJohn 2:15 http://snipurl.com/1hzg9" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1177591275.681844.222630@r30g2000prh.googlegroups.com>", "from": { "name": "jcon", "address": "cirejcon at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-04-26T12:41:15+00:00", "subject": "Re: Gene Wolfe - two carpenters", "in_reply_to": "<4144ea0fb3404d4b6e1ab8a74b14dbfe@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 26, 1:02 am, Jacket Dust wrote:\nby John Farrell\nFirst Thingshttp://www.firstthings.com\nApril 2007\n\n..Gene Wolfe's \"The Book of the New Sun\" started out as a long novella\nand rapidly grew to a four-volume science-fiction tour de force. The\nhero, Severian, is a lictor--a professional torturer--whose entire life\nhas been dedicated to the infliction of agony. \"It has been remarked\nthousands of times,\" Wolfe once said, \"that Christ died under torture.\nMany of us have read so often that he was 'a humble carpenter' that we\nfeel a little surge of nausea on seeing the words yet again. But no one\never seems to notice that the instruments of torture were wood, nails,\nand a hammer; that the man who built the cross was undoubtedly a\ncarpenter too; that the man who hammered in the nails was as much a\ncarpenter as a soldier, as much a carpenter as a torturer. Very few\nseem even to have noticed that although Christ was a 'humble\ncarpenter,' the only object we are specifically told he made was not a\ntable or a chair, but a whip.\"...\n==========\nJohn 2:15http://snipurl.com/1hzg9" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There's another book that has\na scene where Jesus is working in his shop on something\nfor \"an important client\". At the end of the scene\na couple of Roman soldiers how up and pick up\n(of course) their brand new cross. It says\nsomething like \"They paid well and he\nneeded the work\".\n\nCan't remember another thing about the book,\nexcept that I read it a long time ago. Any\nideas? The twist has probably been\nused more than once.\n\n-jc" } ] }, { "message_id": "<260420071209156389%chenrich@monmouth.com>", "from": { "name": "Christopher J. Henrich", "address": "chenrich at monmouth.com" }, "date": "2007-04-26T16:09:14+00:00", "subject": "Re: Gene Wolfe - two carpenters", "in_reply_to": "<1177591275.681844.222630@r30g2000prh.googlegroups.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 26, 1:02 am, Jacket Dust wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "by John Farrell\nFirst Thingshttp://www.firstthings.com\nApril 2007\n\n..Gene Wolfe's \"The Book of the New Sun\" started out as a long novella\nand rapidly grew to a four-volume science-fiction tour de force. The\nhero, Severian, is a lictor--a professional torturer--whose entire life\nhas been dedicated to the infliction of agony. \"It has been remarked\nthousands of times,\" Wolfe once said, \"that Christ died under torture.\nMany of us have read so often that he was 'a humble carpenter' that we\nfeel a little surge of nausea on seeing the words yet again. But no one\never seems to notice that the instruments of torture were wood, nails,\nand a hammer; that the man who built the cross was undoubtedly a\ncarpenter too; that the man who hammered in the nails was as much a\ncarpenter as a soldier, as much a carpenter as a torturer. Very few\nseem even to have noticed that although Christ was a 'humble\ncarpenter,' the only object we are specifically told he made was not a\ntable or a chair, but a whip.\"...\n==========\nJohn 2:15http://snipurl.com/1hzg9" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "There's another book that has\na scene where Jesus is working in his shop on something\nfor \"an important client\". At the end of the scene\na couple of Roman soldiers how up and pick up\n(of course) their brand new cross. It says\nsomething like \"They paid well and he\nneeded the work\".\n\nCan't remember another thing about the book,\nexcept that I read it a long time ago. Any\nideas? The twist has probably been\nused more than once." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Could be /The/ /Last/ /Temptation/ /of/ /Christ/, by Nikos Kazantzakis." } ] }, { "message_id": "<4635750c@dnews.tpgi.com.au>", "from": { "name": "Bran MacEachaidh", "address": "bran at tpg.com.au" }, "date": "2007-04-30T04:48:23+00:00", "subject": "Re: Gene Wolfe - two carpenters", "in_reply_to": "<1177591275.681844.222630@r30g2000prh.googlegroups.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "air an latha 26/04/2007 10:41 PM, sgr�obh jcon:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "There's another book that has\na scene where Jesus is working in his shop on something\nfor \"an important client\". At the end of the scene\na couple of Roman soldiers how up and pick up\n(of course) their brand new cross. It says\nsomething like \"They paid well and he\nneeded the work\".\n\nCan't remember another thing about the book,\nexcept that I read it a long time ago. Any\nideas? The twist has probably been\nused more than once.\n\n-jc" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, if you believe Mel Gibson, Jesus invented dining-room furniture ..." } ] } ] }