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  "thread": {
    "id": 1006,
    "subject": "Horn's astral Journey to Nettle",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2000-09-04T12:05:09+00:00",
    "last": "2000-09-05T19:26:03+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0011-0225@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Endymion9",
        "address": "endymion9 at mindspring.com"
      },
      "date": "2000-09-04T12:05:09+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Horn's astral Journey to Nettle",
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          "text": "In an earlier post I asked why Horn never made an astral journey to visit\nNettle.  I obviously had forgotten this passage from OBW.\n\np.203\nOnce, as I lay there at the bottom of the pit, it seemed to me that a man\nwith a long nose (a tall man or an immense spider) stood over me...\nHe touched my forehead with something he held, an the pit vanished.\nI was standing in Nettle's kitchen...\n\n\"Come with me,\" I told her...\n\n...tried to lead her back to the pit in which I lay.  She stared at me then\nas if I were some horror from the grave, and screamed.  I can never forget\nthat scream.\n\n\nWas Horn trying to lead Nettle into death with him?  Is this why Horn has\nnever tried to return to Nettle in an astral trip again?  Her reaction.\nWasn't there some conjecture as to whether an inhumi had to be present for\nan astral trip to take place?  Looks like a neighbor will do also, unless\nKrait was along on this journey but hidden ( I doubt it).\n\nThe more I think of the Neighbor/Inhumi relationship I think that they might\nbe a creation of the Neighbors.  When the neighbor touches Horn is he doing\nthe same type manipulation on Horn?  Creating an inhumi? or something else?\nout of him?\n\nDennis/Endy\nhttp://home.mindspring.com/~endymion9/index.htm\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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      "message_id": "<whorl-v0011-0234@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "David Wells",
        "address": "adw at ovum.com"
      },
      "date": "2000-09-05T19:26:03+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Re: Horn's astral Journey to Nettle",
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          "text": "From: \"Endymion9\" <endymion9 at mindspring.com>\nDate: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:05:09 -0500\nIn an earlier post I asked why Horn never made an astral journey to visit\nNettle.  I obviously had forgotten this passage from OBW."
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          "text": "p.203\nOnce, as I lay there at the bottom of the pit, it seemed to me that a man\nwith a long nose (a tall man or an immense spider) stood over me...\nHe touched my forehead with something he held, an the pit vanished.\nI was standing in Nettle's kitchen..."
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          "text": "\"Come with me,\" I told her..."
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          "text": "...tried to lead her back to the pit in which I lay.  She stared at me then\nas if I were some horror from the grave, and screamed.  I can never forget\nthat scream."
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          "text": "Was Horn trying to lead Nettle into death with him?  Is this why Horn has\nnever tried to return to Nettle in an astral trip again?"
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          "text": "Interesting.\nBut if Horn is astrally-journeying in the same sense that he does\nin IGJ, you would expect him to appear to Nettle in her kitchen with\nhis \"inner self exposed\" - cf. the changes of appearance of Horn, Oreb\nand the inhumi when they astrally travel.\n\nGiven that Horn's soul is in torment in the pit, he may appear to Nettle\nto be in less than the best of health (I can't help thinking of the \"return\nof the friend\" in An American Werewolf in London ;-).\n\nWhich Nettle might well find somewhat scary.\n\nAll just speculation, though.\n\nold newt\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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