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  "thread": {
    "id": 101,
    "subject": "Tartaros Rex",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1997-02-16T14:43:42+00:00",
    "last": "1997-02-16T14:43:42+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0003-0150@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alice Turner",
        "address": "al at interport.net"
      },
      "date": "1997-02-16T14:43:42+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Tartaros Rex",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Gosh, we're all getting so nostalgic and philosophical. I'll bite. I\nstarted with Oz myself at a young age, moved on to Kipling (another Wolfe\nfave). SF: C. Smith and Vance (Vance seems to be universal here). Never\ncared much for Niven and the hard-boys, but then I'm a gril. <g>\nInteresting though---in nearly any mini-survey of this kind someone will\nwax nostalgic about the Heinlein juveniles, and nobody has here. Does that\nmean that the Wolfe pack had a somewhat different juvenile taste from the\nmajority? Hurray for us!\n\nBut back to the squabbling that I consider the essence of this group."
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          "text": "So based on the Pas no-show theophany, as well as the sudden and\nincreasing powers of Tartaros toward the end, you divine that the\nrightful and dutiful son has ascended the throne of the Whorl?  (Pas\nin Saturn-like retirement?)  Good job!  I like it."
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          "text": "Thank you, my dear mantis. Let me recap. The first Pas viewing is reported\nby Q as a sight of Pas's \"ghost.\" Auk hears \"ghost\" at the second theophany\n(Incus takes Pas at face value, but he would, wouldn't he?). I'm using\n\"puppet\" as a stronger synonym. At the presumable third Pas theophany,\nthere is no lightshow at all as the Jerboa \"piece of Pas\" is transferrred\nto Auk--via Tartaros alone, I'm convinced. At the fourth, comely Kypris\nwaggles Pas as Miss Piggy might a temporarily unmanned Kermit. I wouldn't\nsay that Pas is exactly Saturn-like, nor do I think Tartaros is\ndutiful--instead, he seems, like Q to be on the side of the humans and thus\na traitor to his kind. But, yes, I do think he is in sole charge of\nMainframe at the end, with kooky Kypris as a sort of ally. (Sort of,\nbecause she probably would feel safer with Big Daddy--she's probably about\nas loyal to Tartaros as Hy is to Silk.)\n\nOne more explanation: I'm of the opinion that the Whorl is a supply ship,\nthat the Cargo, which consists of the dregs of Urth society, was sold to\nthe inhumi by Pas/Typhon as a food supply. Q was in effect a \"shepherd,\"\nbut over time he turned into something of a Good Shepherd, against his own\nnature. I don't expect everyone to agree however (continued butting up\nagainst mantis has made me philosophical).\n\n-alga-\n\n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com"
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