{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/1015", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 1015, "subject": "Seawrack", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2000-09-06T09:56:34+00:00", "last": "2000-09-07T08:08:25+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan Schmidt", "address": "dfan at harmonixmusic.com" }, "date": "2000-09-06T09:56:34+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Seawrack", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Is this a common word? It appears to be a synonym for seaweed, but I\ndon't remember encountering it before. I ask because I'm currently\nreading through ULYSSES and found it at the beginning of chapter 3:\n\n Ineluctable modality of the visible: at least that if no more,\n thought through my eyes. Signatures of all things I am here to read,\n seaspawn and seawrack, the nearing tide, that rusty boot." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": " Dan Schmidt | http://www.dfan.org\nHonest Bob CD now available! | http://www.dfan.org/honestbob/cd.html\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Peter Westlake", "address": "peter at harlequin.co.uk" }, "date": "2000-09-06T21:27:09+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Seawrack", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 09:56 2000-09-06 -0400, Dan Schmidt wrote:\nIs this a common word? It appears to be a synonym for seaweed, but I\ndon't remember encountering it before." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It isn't exactly common, but I think I've heard it before.\nIt isn't just seaweed, but specifically \"seaweed case ashore in masses\",\naccording to Merriam-Webster (http://www.yourdictionary.com/cgi-bin/mw.cgi).\nI think I knew about the \"cast ashore\" sense, but thought it was any kind\nof wreckage (\"wrack\"), not just seaweed.\n\nAnyway, it's plausible enough for Horn to have thought of it.\n\nSBear.\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Endymion9", "address": "endymion9 at mindspring.com" }, "date": "2000-09-06T18:42:11+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Re:Seawrack", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan Schmidt pondered:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Is this a common word? It appears to be a synonym for seaweed, but I\ndon't remember encountering it before. I ask because I'm currently\nreading through ULYSSES and found it at the beginning of chapter 3:\n\n Ineluctable modality of the visible: at least that if no more,\n thought through my eyes. Signatures of all things I am here to read,\n seaspawn and seawrack, the nearing tide, that rusty boot." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I found several commentaries of this section of ULYSSES that labeled the\nterms \"seaspawn and seawrack\" as the life cycle. With seaspawn equating to\nlife/birth and seawrack equating to death. Hmmm.\n\nIn the same commentaries I found the following:\n\n19th-century poet Algernon Charles Swinburne called the sea \"our mighty\nmother.\" ULYSSES had Algy as a character? I've never read it, just going\nby the commentaries.\n\nAlso found the following under herbal remedies:\n\nBladderwrack has been used as a remedy for high cholesterol and hardening of\nthe arteries, indigestion, excess weight, and insufficient thyroid, but its\nefficacy has not been scientifically verified\nOther names: Black-tang, Cutweed, Kelpware, Quercus marina, Seawrack\n\nI doubt Wolfe was referring to the herbal uses . It's funny how since\nreading OBW Seawrack instantly makes me think of a gorgeous blond model-like\nwoman, while Bladderwrack would make me think of a sea hag.\n\nAnd to Robert: I agree that on p.269 of OBW the Neighbor could be referring\nto either The Mother or Seawrack. I thought of this as I wrote that\ncomment, but decided one way.\n\n\nDennis/Endy\nhttp://home.mindspring.com/~endymion9/index.htm\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "matthew.malthouse", "address": "matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk" }, "date": "2000-09-07T08:08:25+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Seawrack", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 06/09/2000 22:27:09 Peter Westlake wrote:\nAt 09:56 2000-09-06 -0400, Dan Schmidt wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Is this a common word? It appears to be a synonym for seaweed, but I\ndon't remember encountering it before." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "It isn't exactly common, but I think I've heard it before.\nIt isn't just seaweed, but specifically \"seaweed case ashore in masses\",\naccording to Merriam-Webster (http://www.yourdictionary.com/cgi-bin/mw.cgi).\nI think I knew about the \"cast ashore\" sense, but thought it was any kind\nof wreckage (\"wrack\"), not just seaweed." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "OED\n\nsea-wrack. Forms: see wrack.\n1. pl. Property cast ashore by the sea. Obs.\n1548 Reg. Mag. Sig. Scot. 61/1 Terras de Terbert, cum manerio, molendino et lie\nsey-wrakis earundem.\n\n2. a. collect. Seaweed, esp. any of the large coarse kinds cast up on the shore,\nas Fucus, Laminaria, etc. Sometimes applied spec. to Zostera marina.\n1551 Turner Herbal i. K iv, Alga..is commonly called in englyshe see wrak.\n1654 in N. Riding Rec. V. 161 [Indicted for unjustly taking 10 horse load of\nsea-wreck].\n1759 Martin Nat. Hist. II. Yorksh. 298 They gather up the Sea-wreck and lay it\nin Heaps.\n1831 Carlyle Sart. Res. i. ii, Wherein the toughest pearl-diver may dive to his\nutmost depth, and return not only with sea-wreck but with true orients.\n1906 F. Campbell Dearlove 29 A litter of brown sea-wrack.\n\nb. A particular kind of seaweed.\n1611 Cotgr., Sparie, a sea-wrecke.\nIbid., Varech, a sea-wracke, or wrecke.\n1658 Sir T. Browne Gard. Cyrus iii, The Spongy leaves of some Sea-wracks..are\nover-wrought with Net-work.\n1681 Grew Mus¾um ii. ¤v. ii. 248 The Bearded Sea-Wrack. Fucus capillaris\ntinctorius.\n1846 Lindley Veget. Kingd. 145 Zosterace¾.Sea wracks.\n1852 Th. Ross tr. Humboldts Trav. I. i. 33 To rank it provisionally among\nthe sea-wracks.\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] } ] }