{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/1080", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 1080, "subject": "Digest whorl.v012.n032", "messages": 4, "voices": 3, "first": "2001-01-30T20:19:06+00:00", "last": "2001-01-31T16:23:14+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "akt", "address": "akt at attglobal.net" }, "date": "2001-01-30T20:19:06+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v012.n032", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ratty, Mark Millman is surely right--you are thinking of fairies and\ncold iron, and we ain't got none of those here. Inhumi have no\nsupernatural resistances or weaknesses; they are animals like us. (And\nunlike a couple of other types of critters.)\n\nRostrum, IMO, is also right about Horn/Silk's eating problem, so evident\nin IGJ; I posited the same observation (I point out delicately) several\ntimes quite a while ago.\n\nWelcome, James," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "James (is anyone called Gerbil yet?)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Richard Gere?\n\nNo, just kidding--it's yours!\n\n-alga\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "straight at email.unc.edu" }, "date": "2001-01-31T14:04:01+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v012.n032", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 akt at attglobal.net wrote:\nRostrum, IMO, is also right about Horn/Silk's eating problem, so evident\nin IGJ; I posited the same observation (I point out delicately) several\ntimes quite a while ago." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I may have missed your post in the archives, but most of the discussion I\nsaw assumed it had something to do with Silk's personality influencing\nHorn, whereas I was pointing out that it could just be a physical\nlimitation of Silk's body and prove nothing about how much of Silk's\npersonality still remains. \n\nFor that matter, it could also be explained by Horn having decided to take\nup fasting as part of his Imitatio Silki.\n\nIn fact, the only indication I can see that any of Silk's personality is\nstill in there is that bit where he refers to Seawrack's singing as being\nHyacinth's.\n\n-Rostrum\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Alex David Groce", "address": "alex_groce at gs246.sp.cs.cmu.edu" }, "date": "2001-01-31T14:52:58+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v012.n032", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Rostrum said:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "In fact, the only indication I can see that any of Silk's personality is\nstill in there is that bit where he refers to Seawrack's singing as being\nHyacinth's." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Even limiting things to OBW and IGJ, I disagree. To name an instance\nthat comes to mind immediately, without moving to the bookshelf, what\nabout the last few lines of OBW, about catching the ball?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "\"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.\" John 8:32\n--\nAlex David Groce (agroce+ at cs.cmu.edu)\nPh.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department\n8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066\nhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "straight at email.unc.edu" }, "date": "2001-01-31T16:23:14+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v012.n032", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Alex David Groce wrote:\nRostrum said:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "In fact, the only indication I can see that any of Silk's personality is\nstill in there is that bit where he refers to Seawrack's singing as being\nHyacinth's." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Even limiting things to OBW and IGJ, I disagree. To name an instance\nthat comes to mind immediately, without moving to the bookshelf, what\nabout the last few lines of OBW, about catching the ball?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As I posted before, there's no reason to think Silk would even remember\nanything about catching the ball and winning the game - at the time he was\npreoccupied with his enlightenment (note his lame response when the boys\nask him what was the lesson in it). Horn, on the other hand, obviously\nremembers it well, since it's the first scene in his book about Silk.\n\nThe line makes sense as a metaphor Horn uses to sum up the philosophy he\narticulated at the time to Silk: \"You were their best player. It wouldn't\nhave been fair to them if you hadn't played your best.\" Which he has\nlived out by helping Gaon. Which he continues to preach to Mora. It's a\nstatement that Horn has, like Silk, used his gifts to help the weak.\n\nThe line makes no sense read as \"Silk\" literally remembering winning that\ngame a long time ago. Why would he mention it? Does Silk habitually\nreminisce about his atheletic triumphs over children?\n\n-Rostrum\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] } ] }