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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 1082, "subject": "Nessus when?", "messages": 4, "voices": 3, "first": "2001-01-31T14:19:05+00:00", "last": "2001-02-01T08:22:06+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "straight at email.unc.edu" }, "date": "2001-01-31T14:19:05+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Nessus when?", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think I've made it through all the archives now, having at last finished\nIGJ (and recovered from my amazement at how good it is), and I can't\nbelieve no one has mentioned this solution of how Horn, 300-some-years\ntravel from the Urth of Typhon's time could return and find himself in the\nmuch-later time of Severian.\n\nTime dialation. The trip took 300-some years in the Whorl's reference\nframe and thousands of years from Urth's reference frame.\n\n-Rostrum\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Kevin J. Maroney", "address": "kmaroney at ungames.com" }, "date": "2001-01-31T16:15:34+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Nessus when?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 02:19 PM 1/31/01 -0500, you wrote:\nTime dialation. The trip took 300-some years in the Whorl's reference\nframe and thousands of years from Urth's reference frame." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think Michael Andre-Driussi has made a good argument for the time of\nTyphon being only about 1000 years before the time of Severian. But it's\nclear that there is some time dilation going on to bridge the remaining\n700-year gap. " }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": " Kevin Maroney | Unplugged Games \n kmaroney at ungames.com | (212) 777-1190\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi", "address": "mantis at sirius.com" }, "date": "2001-01-31T18:15:01+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Nessus when?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Rostrum wrote:\nI think I've made it through all the archives now, having at last finished\nIGJ (and recovered from my amazement at how good it is), and I can't\nbelieve no one has mentioned this solution of how Horn, 300-some-years\ntravel from the Urth of Typhon's time could return and find himself in the\nmuch-later time of Severian.\n\nTime dialation. The trip took 300-some years in the Whorl's reference\nframe and thousands of years from Urth's reference frame." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, well, mister slow poke! Better read RTTW asap.\n\nI thought we hammered out/nailed down the time dilation angle in \"Welcome\nWombat\" message of 7 Sep 97.\n\n=mantis=\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "straight at email.unc.edu" }, "date": "2001-02-01T08:22:06+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Nessus when?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Michael Andre-Driussi wrote:\nRostrum wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I think I've made it through all the archives now, having at last finished\nIGJ (and recovered from my amazement at how good it is), and I can't\nbelieve no one has mentioned this solution of how Horn, 300-some-years\ntravel from the Urth of Typhon's time could return and find himself in the\nmuch-later time of Severian.\n\nTime dialation. The trip took 300-some years in the Whorl's reference\nframe and thousands of years from Urth's reference frame." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Well, well, mister slow poke! Better read RTTW asap.\n\nI thought we hammered out/nailed down the time dilation angle in \"Welcome\nWombat\" message of 7 Sep 97." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yeah, I should have credited you. I was replying to all the more recent\nposts wondering if Horn was travelling forward/back in time as well as\nthrough space (of course a lot of physicists would say instantaneous\ntravel like that ends up being a form of time-travel anyway...).\n\nAnd back then it was just speculation, I didn't see anyone discussing the\nfact that IGJ not only confirms the time-dialation, but pretty much\nquantifies it. We get the subjective travel time of the Whorl in\nyears; if you're right about the number of years between Tyhpon and\nSeverian, we should be able to compute the Whorl's speed.\n\n-Rostrum\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] } ] }