{
  "export": {
    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/1102",
    "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it.  Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.",
    "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'"
  },
  "archive": "whorl",
  "thread": {
    "id": 1102,
    "subject": "Hyacinth/Silk relationship questions",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2001-02-05T14:30:49+00:00",
    "last": "2001-02-05T14:30:49+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0012-0128@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Endymion9",
        "address": "endymion9 at mindspring.com"
      },
      "date": "2001-02-05T14:30:49+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Hyacinth/Silk relationship questions",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I'm currently at page 172 or RTTW.  I saw a reference to Hyacinth and Kypris\nthat stirred these thoughts to the surface but no spoilers for RTTW in this\nposting.  There SPOILERS for OBW and IGJ.\n\nI've had this question on the tip of my tongue or the back of my brain off\nand on since I finished the last Long Sun book a few years back.\n\nSilk and Hyacinth.\n\nI can understand Silk's attraction to Hy.  She is the beautiful (movie\nstar/pin up girl/prostitute) that many a young man develops a crush on.  She\nis his \"Picture of Lily.\"  But as the father says to the son in that Who\nsong, \"Son now don't be silly.\"\n\nYou do not try to obtain someone like that for many reasons.  First\nobtaining them is very difficult for the average man.  But Silk is way above\naverage so he does manage to obtain her for a time.  But once obtained even\nfor men \"on their level\" you can not keep them.  Look at movie star divorce\nrates, etc.\n\nOn Hy's part.  I can see her being attracted to Silk for many reasons.\n-His unnatural leadership charisma (genetically modified embryo)\n-His ability to help her escape a situation she has grown tired of\n-Kypris manipulation of her\n\nWhat I can not see (without Kypris modifying Hy's will) is her staying with\nSilk for many years.  I believe that when she ran away from Silk instead of\nboarding the lander, that she was not just afraid of a hard life on\nGreen/Blue, but that the newness of Silk had expired and she was looking for\nan excuse to ditch him.  I did not expect him to find her again.  Or at\nleast not to be able to convince her to stay with him.\n\nI see Silk and Hy after the end of Exile as the relationship of Hosea and\nGomer of the Old Testament Bible.   Hosea constantly had to go to the\nmarketplace and drag Gomer back home to keep her from sleeping with other\nmen.\n\nWhat are your theories on their relationship, since Silk and Hy seem to have\nbeen together when Horn enters Silk's body in IGJ.\nDid Kypris put a compulsion on Hy to stay with Silk?  Or have I misjudged\nher?\n\nDennis/Endy\nhttp://home.mindspring.com/~endymion9/index.htm\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
}