{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/1136", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 1136, "subject": "pig's dialect", "messages": 4, "voices": 3, "first": "2001-02-12T09:11:47+00:00", "last": "2001-02-13T21:24:40+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "james.kellar", "address": "james.kellar at quantel.com" }, "date": "2001-02-12T09:11:47+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) pig's dialect", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "hello all\n\nthere's no doubt whatsoever that Pig's dialect is intended to be Scottish, as opposed to Irish or\nWelsh.\n'dinna fash' and other similar expressions are giveaways (to British ears, at least). I don't have\nthe book in front of me, but the author even goes as far as to explain that when Pig says 'wind' it\nsounds like 'fiend'. Has anyone got an idea as to which part of Scotland he's from? It sounds\nreasonably old-fashioned to me, I think.\n\nPig as godling sounds like a plausible hypothesis - after all, the chapter's title could easily be\nread as referring to more than just the last paragraph, couldn't it?\n\ngerbil\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Spectacled Bear", "address": "spectacled.bear at pobox.com" }, "date": "2001-02-12T11:23:34+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) pig's dialect", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 09:11 2001-02-12 +0000, james.kellar at quantel.com wrote:\nhello all" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hello!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "there's no doubt whatsoever that Pig's dialect is intended to be Scottish, as opposed to Irish or\nWelsh." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It is - *but*, why does he add all those H-s like a Cockney?\nIt made Pig's speech tongue-twistingly difficult for me to read,\neven though I wasn't reading it aloud." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Pig as godling sounds like a plausible hypothesis - after all, the chapter's title could easily be\nread as referring to more than just the last paragraph, couldn't it?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Very plausible. The trouble with the Tartaros idea, on the other hand,\nis that Pig gets his sight back, as indicated by his reaction when he\nsees where his new eye came from.\n\nSpectacled Bear.\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "james.kellar", "address": "james.kellar at quantel.com" }, "date": "2001-02-12T12:50:33+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) pig's dialect", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "there's no doubt whatsoever that Pig's dialect is intended to be Scottish, as opposed to Irish or\nWelsh." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "It is - *but*, why does he add all those H-s like a Cockney?\nIt made Pig's speech tongue-twistingly difficult for me to read,\neven though I wasn't reading it aloud." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was trying to work this out, and it did seem a little incongruous - I wonder if it could be that\nthe author of these passages (Hoof/Hide) was confused by Horn/Silk's description of this accent - it\nmust have sounded peculiar to all of them, I suppose.\n\nI agree that it's clear that Pig has been blind for some time (i.e. he wasn't blinded immediately\nafter his attack on Silk) - otherwise how can we explain his skill at navigation in the dark? He\nwould only be able to do this if he'd been blind for some time and had had a chance to get used to\nthe idea.\n\ngerbil\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dave Lebling", "address": "dlebling at shore.net" }, "date": "2001-02-13T21:24:40+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Pig's Dialect", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "<\nCouldn't agree more re Pig. Did he like deciphering that dialect? He did\nnae! >>\n\nThank you, Kieran! LOL, as they say on the web.\n\nI have, however, read _Riddley Walker_, _Feersum Enjin_, and several even\nharder-to-decipher works, so I found this pretty mild. As with other\ndialect-overload books, it helps to mutter along as you read. I find Remora\nand Incus more annoying auctorial devices.\n\nDinna fash yourself.\n\n Dave Lebling\n aka vizcacha\n (some small fraction Scots through a Farquahar ancestor, but far more\nIrish overall)\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] } ] }