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  "thread": {
    "id": 1254,
    "subject": "For Adam and James: Literary Devices, Authorship,",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2001-03-06T13:11:25+00:00",
    "last": "2001-03-07T16:20:34+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0012-0410@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "James Jordan",
        "address": "jbjordan4 at home.com"
      },
      "date": "2001-03-06T13:11:25+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (whorl) For Adam and James: Literary Devices, Authorship,",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "My Dear Blattid,\n\tYou've certainly advanced the discussion with fine Points To Ponder.\n\tThanks.\n\tAs to your essay question, well if I grasped what you're asking the answer \nto the first half is kind of obvious: Wolfe seeks to show us the \nclumsiness/skill of his narrators at every point. Your observations on the \nseeming Wolfean clumsiness of the collective-children's 3rd person sections \nare helpful -- I guess we can hypothesize that the Narrator lived among \nthem for a year or so before leaving for the Whorl, and that much of \n\"their\" style is drawn from transcripts of \"his\" narrations.\n\tAnd perhaps we can also note the various storytelling episodes in the SS \nseries as well as in Citadel of the Autarch, and see the last parts of RTW \nas analogous: various voices telling stories.\n\tIt is rather interesting how on the one hand Wolfe praises traditional \nstory-telling and literature (i.e., that much great traditional literature \nis \"fantasy\"), and on the other hand Wolfe uses a kind of hyper-modern \nmeta-narrative technique in much of his own writing, which has the effect \nof putting the reader at several removes from the story, and subtly \nundermines it.\n\tOh, well, that's our Gene. You have to take the \"sweet\" along with the \n\"bitter,\" the wonderful story along with being impelled into literary \ncriticism at the same time!\n\nPatera Nutria\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0012-0413@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com"
      },
      "date": "2001-03-07T16:20:34+00:00",
      "subject": "RE: (whorl) For Adam and James: Literary Devices, Authorship,",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0012-0410@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "Rather busy & don't have time to reply in detail -- but -- Adam,\nyou seem to be barking up a very odd tree indeed here:"
        },
        {
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "I may be missing something, but I don't get your point here. \nIs it stated that Nettle read the book while \"Horn\" was present?  "
        },
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          "text": "Ummm... when else _could_ she have read it? The _only_ time\nfor her to read it (and for the children to know she has \nread it and say so) is after \"the Narrator\" arrives but before \nhe departs -- because she departs with him. Ergo, he was in\nNew Viron long enough for her to read it.\n\nGotta scuttle,\n\n--Blattid of the Lupine Vermin Patrol\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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