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  "thread": {
    "id": 1291,
    "subject": "ye old vatican II and Silk's mourning",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2001-03-27T23:08:11+00:00",
    "last": "2001-03-27T23:08:11+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0012-0491@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2001-03-27T23:08:11+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) ye old vatican II and Silk's mourning",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "I think someone has already mentioned that the gashing of the flesh is a \ntypical pass time for mourners (see Orpine's funeral at the beginning of \nLake), so I read Silk's mutilation as excessive grieving rather than an \nintentional suicide attempt.  Silk seems competent enough to me to pull off a \nsincere suicide.  However, his \"psychological\" retreat may indicate that his \nawareness seeks to flee the \"house\" of his body, and that may be why he \nrefuses to admit who he really is.  Also,\n\n\"Crateowl\" said:"
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Now a small question. In LS, the span of Quetzal's time as _Prolocuter_\n(note Jahlee's comment that inhumi catch their prey with their tongues as\nsomeone pointed out on this list)is something like 30 years. The first\nmeeting of Vatican II was in 1962, thirty years before the publication of\nNStLS. There are clearly parallels with the Prolocutor and the Pope.\nQuetzal's prothonotary is named Bull, for one. One of the decisions made at\nVatican II was to allow the Mass to be said in the common tongue (if you\nwill). When exactly did Viron lose it's high speech? Did any of you read\nrecently about the exhumation of Pope JohnXXIII recently? His face was said\nto be remarkably _composed_ for a man long dead. I could'nt help putting\nthis together with Whorlly things.  (Is World the past tense of Whorl?)\n\nBefore I finish, one more thing,\nWas Uncle Gene referring to this list when he wrote of Pig's name\nchoice?(pg. 45 RttW).\n\nI'll take the name Crateowl."
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          "text": "Hey, anyone notice all the changes to the roman catholic mass this past year?  \nOur Father is back in Latin, women can't touch certain things during \ncommunion, all the servers have to wear robes, less kneeling, etc.  I wonder \nwhat Wolfe thinks about that?  Just an observation.\nMarc Aramini\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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