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  "thread": {
    "id": 1302,
    "subject": "Tierra del Fuego",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2001-03-29T12:21:28+00:00",
    "last": "2001-03-29T12:21:28+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0012-0511@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "j e",
        "address": "lo_phan17 at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2001-03-29T12:21:28+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Tierra del Fuego",
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          "text": "From: \"Robert Borski\" <rborski at charter.net>\nSubject: Re: Windcloud"
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Unless, of course, the testifying alien is none other than Pas himself,\nsince \"Windcloud\" is essentially what Typhon/typhoon means--(\"A whirlwind,\ncyclone, tornado; a violent storm of wind, a hurricane,\" OED)--plus we\nalready have the depiction of Pas as a whirlwind from as long ago as the\nLONG SUN series. What, if not a cloud-of-wind, is a whirlwind, cyclone,\ntornado, etc.\n\nInteresting to think that this might be the only on-stage appearance of a\nmajor player from both the latter SUN series.\n\nBut then this would also mean that Pas was a Neighbor and we all know how\nludicrous a notion that is, right?\n\nRobert Borski"
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          "text": "Pas as Neighbour? Or is it a doubling of names. There is a Neighbour named \nHorn who (pg 260 OBW) is of the party giving Blue to the people of the long \nsun whorl. The only connection to Windcloud we read at this time is the \nsection before where Horn and Barsat and Hari Mau and others visit the \nNeighbour house near Gaon and Horn finds the cup given him by Windcloud (who \nmentions the gift at the trial in Dorp). Is Windcloud present when Horn \nrecieves the \"godlike\" gift of Blue? Probably, but if he's Pas why isn't he \ngiving the whorl himself instead of as a group of equals beings?\n\nI said before I was going to look into connections with Tierra del Fuego.\nCape Horn was named by the first European to sail around the cape. He was a \nDutch captain named Willem Cornelius Schouten and he named it for his \nbirthplace Hoorn which incidentally means horn.  I’m not sure Wolfe intends \na connection with Patagonia (Land of Giants)or Tierra del Fuego (Land of \nFires) but the cold and the terrain he describes could fit. The aborigines \nwore capes like the Neighbours and lit enough fires to blacken the sky but \nwere exterminated by the colonists from Europe, not driven into \n_mirror-space_ by a species of “plastic people”.\nThe first contact between the peoples of Tierra del Fuego and the Europeans \nwas made by Magellan, who found a passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific \nthat’s named for him.  An MS-Encarta search on Ferdinand Magellan yields \nlittle in the way of possible connections. He’s credited as being the first \nto circumnavigate the globe but he never lived to complete the voyage which \nwas finished by one of the ships in his command. He died during an attack on \nan island in the steamy Philippines (Mactan) and only circumnavigated the \nglobe by having passed the most easterly point he’d reached on an earlier \nvoyage.\n\nCrateowl"
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