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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 1374, "subject": "godlings", "messages": 13, "voices": 7, "first": "2001-04-19T13:20:19+00:00", "last": "2001-04-20T16:01:53+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Robert Borski", "address": "rborski at charter.net" }, "date": "2001-04-19T13:20:19+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Re: godlings", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Rostrum writing:\n\n\n\n<(Maybe our hint is in Act 2 at the talus construction plant, but then what\ndo you do with the obvious hints that organic Pig (he eats, his eyes are\nflesh) is a godling?)>\n\nWould it help to suggest that the term \"godling\" might be a generic one used\nby the human Whorlese to connote anything of unusual size, whether it's\norganic or mechanical? It's never used by anyone in Mainframe if I remember\ncorrectly; and the first time it's mentioned by Horn (OBW, 157), it's linked\nwith his supposition that the gods themselves might be giant-sized. (\"It may\nbe that our gods did not come among us except by enlightment and possession\nbecause they were too large to do so; even the godlings that they send among\nthe people now are, for the most part, immense.\")\n\nI've already argued that the godlings may have originally been designed to\nhost the gods of Mainframe, of course, giving them an alternate raison\nd'être. How better to preserve their prestige and awesome nature than by\ntaking on larger-than-life forms? Surely, whenever he got to where he was\ngoing, Pas was not going to spend the rest of his life as a computer entity.\nAnd there's evidence in the LS series that the gods of Mainframe can ride\nnot only people and animals, but chems.\n\nSome of you also seem to believe the gravity aboard the Whorl is tantamount\nto Urth's, but somewhere or other (can't find the actual passage), it's\nmentioned that any potential departees with cardiac problems would be better\nadvised to stay aboard the Whorl because the strain is less on hearts there.\nSo a giant being of the size that picks up Horn would not be subject to the\nsame forces that preclude such magnitude here. Even if the Whorl's gravity\nwere earth-normal, however, there's the dinosaur parallel--are the godlings\nreally that much bigger than the largest of these? Plus we're also told by\nHorn that \"[The godlings] move slowly,\" (RTTW, 162) implying that even with\nreduced gravity, there are constraining forces at work. Hide's dream also\ncontains a doll, \"walking slow,\" which seems at least to me an obvious\nparallel with Horn's slow-moving godling--implying perhaps that the godling\nwho picks up Horn is indeed a talus. Pig--he's something else--an organic\ngiant created by the same technomagic of Mainframe, only using different\ncomponents. But I'd argue that neither Pig nor the Brobdinagian who picks up\nHorn are science-defying miracles, even by our own limited 21st century\nstandards. Just godlings--at least as the inhabitants of the Whorl define\nthem.\n\nRobert Borski\n\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Kevin J. Maroney", "address": "kmaroney at ungames.com" }, "date": "2001-04-19T14:46:58+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: godlings", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 01:20 PM 4/19/01 -0500, Robert B wrote:\nWould it help to suggest that the term \"godling\" might be a generic one used\nby the human Whorlese to connote anything of unusual size, whether it's\norganic or mechanical? " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That seems contrary to the idea of \"small godlings\". If the Narrator is\nindeed thinking of Pig a small godling, it seems odd to call him that when\nhe's only slightly larger than a normal human. It seems more likely that\nthe term \"godling\" refers to \"constructed servants of Mainframe\" regardless\nof their body type.\n\nIs there textual evidence that the giant godling is a flesh creature? I\ndon't remember seeing any such clues. If they aren't, then the restrictions\nwhich apply to the sea giants don't apply to them. (I've made this point\nbefore and don't remember anyone commenting on it; please forgive me if I\nmissed a previous response.)" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Wombat, a.k.a. Kevin Maroney kmaroney at ungames.com\nKitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction\nhttp://www.nyrsf.com\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "straight at email.unc.edu" }, "date": "2001-04-19T16:07:39+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: godlings", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Robert Borski wrote:\nWould it help to suggest that the term \"godling\" might be a generic one used\nby the human Whorlese to connote anything of unusual size, whether it's\norganic or mechanical?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "But one of the main arguments for Pig's demideity (\"godlingness\"?) is that\ncomment about his ears, suggesting some kind of biological kinship with\nthe big guy." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I've already argued that the godlings may have originally been designed to\nhost the gods of Mainframe, of course, giving them an alternate raison\nd'être. How better to preserve their prestige and awesome nature than by\ntaking on larger-than-life forms? Surely, whenever he got to where he was\ngoing, Pas was not going to spend the rest of his life as a computer entity.\nAnd there's evidence in the LS series that the gods of Mainframe can ride\nnot only people and animals, but chems." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree, but if the godlings' purpose is to carry the gods to Blue, that\nkind of negates your argument that they can be big becuase the Whorl's\napparent gravity is low." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "same forces that preclude such magnitude here. Even if the Whorl's gravity\nwere earth-normal, however, there's the dinosaur parallel--are the godlings\nreally that much bigger than the largest of these? " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I can't do the math myself, but I've read discussions of why a bipedal\nhuman-type mammal can't be as big as a dinosaur. Maybe with drastically\ndifferent biology and prosthetic bones and extra hearts to pump the blood\naround it would be possible. The muscles would probably have to be\naugmented too.\n\nBut the point that the godlings don't seem anywhere near as big as the\nundines is a good one.\n\n-Rostrum\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Robert Borski", "address": "rborski at charter.net" }, "date": "2001-04-19T16:51:26+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Re: Re: Godlings", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Kevin J. Maroney writing:\n\n\n\nGuess it depends on how you configure Pig's height. When Horn first\nencounters him (perhaps significantly the chapter is entitled \"Great Pas's\nGodling\"), he is in Silk's body, who is considered tall. Horn subsequently\ndescribes how Pig's hands are twice his own size, and at one point how Pig's\nelbow brushed his ear. My own elbows are located at about the 3/5 mark of my\ntotal height (I'm 6'4\"), which may mean Pig is as tall as ten feet. Robert\nPershing Wadlow--the tallest person ever in history according to\nGuinness--was only 8' 11\". So I'd argue that Pig's height may well fall\nwithin the parameters that define \"small\" godlingness.\n\nRostrum then arguing:\n\n\n\nThe ear link is almost certainly valid. As is shared eye size and the thick\nblack nails. But to argue this implies biological affininity isn't\nnecessarily so--chems, after all, resemble human beings (at least\nsuperficially) and aren't related to us except as mechanical simulacra.\n\n\n\nYou're right, but only if the giant godling who picks up Horn is organic. In\nmy post I tried to account for how either biological or taluslike godlings\nmight be technologically feasible; my own belief is as I stated: i.e., that\nthe bigger godling is a talus, who, as a mechancial, shouldn't be that\nimpeded by heavier gravities. (Of course, we all know that gravity doesn't\nwork the same way in the Blue-Green system as it does on Earth, since it\nallows the inhumi to fly from one to another and then back again.)\n\nPig, I don't think, even as big as he is, would find it that difficult to\nmanuever on Blue or Green--plus he may have had modifications like the\ntalents to improve his overall agility.\n\nI'm also on record as stating that I believe the Mother is a godling and\nmeant to host Scylla, but this involves accepting my notion that Pas and the\nother Mainframe gods are Neighbor-type aliens.\n\nRe yet another discredited theory of mine--that Pig has assassinated Silk in\nhis manse--one of the objections raised is that the structure containing the\naugur that Pig kills has doors big enough for Pig to go through without\nkneeling. But manse, according to the OED, also means mansion, and doesn't\nmansion connote big doors?\n\nRobert Borski\n\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Jordan", "address": "jbjordan4 at home.com" }, "date": "2001-04-19T18:19:22+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Re: Godlings", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 04:51 PM 4/19/2001 -0500, you wrote:\nI'm also on record as stating that I believe the Mother is a godling and\nmeant to host Scylla, but this involves accepting my notion that Pas and the\nother Mainframe gods are Neighbor-type aliens." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " Surely you don't still maintain this? If so, you should take up \nthe arguments presented against it. Also, since you now say the other \nmainframe gods are neighbors, what about the very human pre-adolescent Scylla?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Re yet another discredited theory of mine--that Pig has assassinated Silk in\nhis manse" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " But Pig clearly \"sees\" that the Narrator is Silk, so how can he \nthink he killed Silk? I just don't think this works." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Robert Borski" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nutria\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Robert Borski", "address": "rborski at charter.net" }, "date": "2001-04-19T20:46:39+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Re: Re: Re: Re: godlings", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nutria dipping his ratty tail into electric ink and writing:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I'm also on record as stating that I believe the Mother is a godling and\nmeant to host Scylla, but this involves accepting my notion that Pas and the\nother Mainframe gods are Neighbor-type aliens.<<" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\n\nYep. Still do. Such is the strength of my various delusional belief systems,\nincluding the one that maintains the Neighbors are capable of\nshape-shifting. You all don't have to buy it. But it's how I choose to the\nview the book--just as others believe there are ubiquitous Scylla-type\naliens scattered throughout the universe or the inhumi can negotiate the\nvacuum between Blue and Green or that Silk has committed suicide or\naccidentally bled to dead from cuts inflicted during the grieving process.\nChaçun yadda yadda yadda. As for Scylla's very human pre-adolescent\nappearance, let me note that the head of Typhon grafted to Piaton appears\nhuman (when in Rome, et cetera), and only the mythic aspect of his name\nallows us to surmise he is actually an alien. Typhon possibly being able to\nshift his appearance toward the human is one potential explanation for this;\nbut just as easily he could have had his technicians provide him and his\nwife and children with humanoid-type features.\n\nWhich brings me to yet another unaccepted plot point. Alex David Groce once\naccused me of conflating Cilinia, Greater Scylla, the Mother, and Mainframe\nScylla, and he's absolutely right because I think all four are aspects of\nthe same entity. Sisters of a feather, if you wish to throw in Oreb. And\ntherefore sort of an alien Mother-Daughter-Holy Ghost conglomerate.\n\n<>\n\n< But Pig clearly \"sees\" that the Narrator is Silk, so how can he think he\nkilled Silk? I just don't think this works. >\n\nBut the original human Silk--that is to say the unalloyed Patera Silk we\nmeet in the Long Sun series--or at least his biological housing or\nmeatware--_has_ died, if temporarily, whereas the \"person\" Pig bonds with is\nan amalgam of Horn and Silk and Pas downloaded into Silk's body. And Pig\nhimself is clearly a dissembler, never once admitting he's a godling\n(although the ear remarks in the Mainframe surgery comes close). It's also\nin his best interests not to say he's killed Silk, since he needs Silk|Horn\nto help him gain his sight back. Ergo, the semi-factual story he weaves and\ntells the Narrator.\n\nRobert Borski\n\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "William Ansley", "address": "wansley at warwick.net" }, "date": "2001-04-20T00:27:05+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) godlings", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I have been thinking about the godlings for a while, but I can't say \nI have really gotten anywhere. The large one that Horn|Silk \nencounters is described as having bestial pointed ears, cavernous \nnostrils, a huge mouth and relatively small eyes. To me this sounds \nlike a fairy-tale ogre. If I look up ogre on a web dictionary\n\nhttp://www.yourdictionary.com/\n\nI see the following etymology:\n\nEtymology: French, probably ultimately from Latin Orcus, god of the underworld\n\nThis doesn't seem to get me anywhere except to provide a tiny bit of \ntenuous support for Robert Borski's \"Pig is a vehicle for Tartaros\" \ntheory.\n\nOh, well.\n\nI am not at all sure we can definitely say Pig is a bio and not a \nchem. Chems are designed to look as much like bios as possible. For \nexample:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 5:16 PM -0700 4/19/01, maa32 wrote:\nMaytera Marble's rusings indicate that she was once covered in\nflesh (this occurs even before she takes Rose's parts)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't think this is quite correct. Chems seem to have a skin of \nflesh-like plastic when new. This has worn off of Maytera Marble \nduring her long lifetime. The prosthetic hands Marble took from \nMaytera Rose look like an old lady's hands. But they cannot be \ncovered in flesh since, if I recall correctly, Marble reaches into a \nsacrificial fire at some point during the Long Sun series (during an \nEpiphany of Echidna, I think) and her hands (which are Rose's old \nprosthetic hands at this point) are not harmed.\n\nI assume that new chems must have artificial fingernails and hair if \nthe illusion is to be complete, so Pig would have those if he was a \nchem. The fact that Silk|Horn's eye is transplanted into Pig really \nproves nothing; Wolfe treats chem parts and prosthetic parts for bios \nas interchangeable in the Long and Short Sun series [1]. This should \nmean that bio parts could serve as prosthetic parts for chems.\n\nOne thing I really disagree with is that, if the godlings are chems, \nthey have anything to do with the super-taluses described in Long \nSun. (Sorry, alga.)\n\nTaluses were built with cargo technology [2], they were basically \ntanks with arms. They incorporated an AI chip \"brain\" that could not \nbe built with cargo technology. There is no evidence that cargo \ntechnology could build chems. Even though the fact that godlings were \nreally, really big might make them easier to build in some ways, the \nfact that they were capable of bipedal locomotion puts them beyond \nthe reach of cargo technology. The taluses didn't have legs at all, \nthey had treads. Even today we can barely build a robot that can \n\"walk like a man.\" [3]\n\nIt seems to make more sense to me that all godlings are bios, even \nthe big ones. This explains the different godling sizes naturally: \nthey grow. If all godlings are chems, then they (probably) cannot \ngrow and are constructed in various sizes for mysterious reasons.\n\nGodlings certainly could be meant as vehicles for the gods of \nmainframe, but why would they wait to use them until they got to a \nplanet. Even if that was Pas's plan, the rest of his family wasn't \nfollowing it. Can you see Echina or Scylla passing up the chance to \ndon the body of a gaint and terrorize people, if either of them could?\n\nOn the other hand, if the godlings are meant to act as an additional \nspur to drive people off of the Whorl, they don't seem to be \nnecessary and they certainly don't seem more effective than the \ndroughts and darkness already are.\n\nWilliam Ansley\n\n[1] I still think this is a weak point in the books, although some \nhave defended it. I certainly suppose that might be possible to make \nrobots out of parts that could all serve as replacements for various \nhuman organs, but I am sure that the cost of designing and building \nsuch robots would be astronomical compared to the cost of building \nrobots that were made of parts that did not all have to be compatible \nwith human biology. I assume Wolfe did this to achieve an effect. It \nleads to a blurring of boundaries (how human are these chems, do they \nhave souls?) and SF reversals (Jonas replacing his mechanical parts \nwith biological tissue in the New Sun books, Marble taking parts from \nthe dead Rose). Wolfe has a similar confusion in New Sun; among his \ncharacters, he has sailors that don't distinguish between sea-going \nand space-going ships.\n\n[2] The level of technology possessed by the passengers on the Whorl, \nas opposed to the level of technology possessed by the builders of \nthe Whorl or even it's crew.\n\n[3] You may well say I am arguing as if I still consider the Sun \nbooks to be SF, although I said that I had abandoned that belief in \nan earlier message. That's not exactly what I said but I will admit I \ntook a somewhat disingenuous position to make the rhetorical point \nthat I had problems with RttW that went far beyond its hard-SF \nquotient.\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "straight at email.unc.edu" }, "date": "2001-04-20T08:52:33+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) godlings", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, William Ansley wrote:\n[1] I still think this is a weak point in the books, although some \nhave defended it. I certainly suppose that might be possible to make \nrobots out of parts that could all serve as replacements for various \nhuman organs, " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Do we see any chem to human transfers in Long Sun? Or were you just\nreferring to Jonas? Having a robot canibalize a human's prosthetics for\nspare parts is not so hard to swallow, but I agree going the other way\nseems a lot harder." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "[3] You may well say I am arguing as if I still consider the Sun \nbooks to be SF, although I said that I had abandoned that belief in \nan earlier message. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The Sun books are SF, they're SF in a universe where miracles happen. \nBut just because some miracles occur (the New Sun, FTL Astral Travel)\ndoesn't mean that everything should be explained as a miracle. For\nexample, just because astral travel is possible, it doesn't follow that\nrobots can use human organs for spare parts.\n\nI feel certain Wolfe wants his readers to be asking, \"How did that\nhappen? How does that work?\" in an SF sort of way, but at the same time,\nhe gives us a story where the answer to some of those questions is that\nthere is no scientific explanation.\n\n-Rostrum\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Jordan", "address": "jbjordan4 at home.com" }, "date": "2001-04-20T09:47:00+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) godlings", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "It seems to make more sense to me that all godlings are bios, even the big \nones. This explains the different godling sizes naturally: they grow." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "William Ansley" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " Like Baldanders? Any possible connection?\n\nNutria\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "matthew.malthouse", "address": "matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk" }, "date": "2001-04-20T16:01:53+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Re: Godlings", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 19/04/2001 22:51:26 Robert Borski wrote:\nKevin J. Maroney writing:\n\n\n\nGuess it depends on how you configure Pig's height. When Horn first\nencounters him (perhaps significantly the chapter is entitled \"Great Pas's\nGodling\"), he is in Silk's body, who is considered tall. Horn subsequently\ndescribes how Pig's hands are twice his own size, and at one point how Pig's\nelbow brushed his ear. My own elbows are located at about the 3/5 mark of my\ntotal height (I'm 6'4\"), which may mean Pig is as tall as ten feet. Robert\nPershing Wadlow--the tallest person ever in history according to\nGuinness--was only 8' 11\". So I'd argue that Pig's height may well fall\nwithin the parameters that define \"small\" godlingness." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In the shriving scene soon after reaching Viron which I read (in a rather\nbefuddled state) last night there's a comment that Horn would come up to Pig's\nknees.\n\nIt jarred me because although Pig is big nothing intimated *that* big to me\nbefore.\n\nRoughly I'm 70\", to the knees is 20\" so Horn/Silk might be 2/7 the height of\nPig. If H/S were say 6'4\" Pig would be 266\" or 22 foot 2 inches at which point\nI go Eeek!\n\nThe only other passage which I can recall that hints at such height is where Pig\nand Horn leave Hyacinth's room an Pig \"crawls\" through the door. Now the doors\nin Blood's mansion are not likely to be mean little things but still I hadn't\nvisualised anything like a 20 foot jolly green (if grubby) giant.\n\nMatthew\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Kevin J. Maroney", "address": "kmaroney at ungames.com" }, "date": "2001-04-20T13:27:37+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Re: Re: Re: godlings", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 08:46 PM 4/19/01 -0500, Robert Borski wrote:\n...just as others believe ... that Silk has committed suicide or\naccidentally bled to dead from cuts inflicted during the grieving process." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Does anyone believe the latter? Silk's body is healthy, but his spirit/soul\nis dying, implies the Neighbor." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": " Kevin Maroney | Unplugged Games \n kmaroney at ungames.com | (212) 777-1190\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com" }, "date": "2001-04-20T10:07:18+00:00", "subject": "RE: (whorl) Re: Re: Re: Re: godlings", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Der Borgelnuskie wrote:\n... [O]thers believe ... that Silk has committed suicide or\naccidentally bled to dead from cuts inflicted during the\ngrieving process." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As the originator (as far as I know) of the Silk-cut-himself-in-\ngrief hypothesis, I have to point out that this hypothesis does \n_not_ involve Silk bleeding to death, accidentally or otherwise.\n\nIn fact, I profoundly doubt the value or validity of _any_ theory \nthat involves Silk being (physically) dead at the time Horn \n\"possesses\" him. The whole point of what the Neighbor offers Horn \nis to take a living soul from a dying body and put it into a \nliving body with a dying soul. (My wording; I don't have the text \nbefore me.)\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Kevin J. Maroney", "address": "kmaroney at ungames.com" }, "date": "2001-04-20T13:36:47+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Re: Godlings", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 05:01 PM 4/20/01 +0100, Matthew wrote:\nRoughly I'm 70\", to the knees is 20\" so Horn/Silk might be 2/7 the height of\nPig. If H/S were say 6'4\" Pig would be 266\" or 22 foot 2 inches at which \npoint I go Eeek!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If Pig is 22 feet tall, it's hard to imagine that one of Silk|Horn's eyes\nwould fit into his eye sockets. " }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Wombat, a.k.a. Kevin Maroney kmaroney at ungames.com\nKitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction\nhttp://www.nyrsf.com\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] } ] }