{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/1385", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 1385, "subject": "Teleporting inhumi", "messages": 7, "voices": 4, "first": "2001-04-20T12:10:07+00:00", "last": "2001-04-20T18:44:06+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Nicholas Gevers", "address": "vermoulian at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2001-04-20T18:44:06+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Teleporting inhumi", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Patera Nutria: no, I don't think the inhumi are\nteleporting from Green to Blue and then back again. If\nthat were the case, Blue would be infested with them\nto a far greater degree than it is. I stick by my\nhypothesis, which is simply that the inhumi have been\ngiven a passive astral travel capacity, activatable\nonly if a biological or honorary Neighbour is also\npresent. This makes perfect sense textually; and\nteleportation adds nothing to my explanation of the\nSecret, the first explanation which is both fully\naccountable to the text and a sensible adumbration of\nthe Secret as an offensive weapon.\n\n--Nick Gevers." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com" }, "date": "2001-04-20T12:10:07+00:00", "subject": "RE: (whorl) Teleporting inhumi", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Patera Nutria: no, I don't think the inhumi are\nteleporting from Green to Blue and then back again. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Although it _does_ offer us with yet another possible\nimage for what the inhumi look like in their \"natural\"\nstate -- lime green humanoids with antennae...\n\n who's willing to bet that none of you has a clue \n what this was about...\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Kevin J. Maroney", "address": "kmaroney at ungames.com" }, "date": "2001-04-20T16:01:01+00:00", "subject": "RE: (whorl) Teleporting inhumi", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 12:10 PM 4/20/01 -0700, Blattid wrote:\nAlthough it _does_ offer us with yet another possible\nimage for what the inhumi look like in their \"natural\"\nstate -- lime green humanoids with antennae..." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sounds like the Great Gazoo to me. " }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Wombat, a.k.a. Kevin Maroney kmaroney at ungames.com\nKitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction\nhttp://www.nyrsf.com\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com" }, "date": "2001-04-20T13:21:55+00:00", "subject": "RE: (whorl) Teleporting inhumi", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Sounds like the Great Gazoo to me. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Swish! One up, one away...\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Jordan", "address": "jbjordan4 at home.com" }, "date": "2001-04-20T16:26:38+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Teleporting inhumi", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "N. Gevers objected to my mooted tweak of his proposal:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Patera Nutria: no, I don't think the inhumi are\nteleporting from Green to Blue and then back again. If\nthat were the case, Blue would be infested with them\nto a far greater degree than it is. I stick by my\nhypothesis, which is simply that the inhumi have been\ngiven a passive astral travel capacity, activatable\nonly if a biological or honorary Neighbour is also\npresent. This makes perfect sense textually; and\nteleportation adds nothing to my explanation of the\nSecret, the first explanation which is both fully\n ^^^^ ^^^^\naccountable to the text and a sensible adumbration of\n ^^^^^^\nthe Secret as an offensive weapon." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " Nothing humble about you, Nick! ;-)\n\n Yeah, I don't suppose my thought adds to the Secret, but I'm not \nsure (yet) that I'm wrong. If inhumi can only teleport (on my supposition) \nin the presence of others who've been to Blue and returned, perhaps not \nthat many would have made the trip. And after all, there are lots of humans \non Green.\n I agree with the other objection that there does not seem to be \nany indication in the text for my hypothesis. Problem is, since flying \nthrough space is out of the question, where is there any indication of \nanything else at all?\n But back to your thesis. You're saying only Narrator can do astral \ntravel, not just any human, because of his Neighborliness. Well, is it the \nring? I'm not going to search 1000+ pages to find the allusions to the \nring, but as I recall Horn left the first ring on Green with his corpse. \nBut then he gets another. Is it the ring? And if so, maybe it's not inhumi \n+ Neighbor that enables the travel, but inhumi + ring.\n And how about magic rings in traditional literature?\n I like your thesis, since it integrates the astral travel business \nwith the nature of the inhumi.\n\nNutria\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Kevin J. Maroney", "address": "kmaroney at ungames.com" }, "date": "2001-04-20T17:44:44+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Teleporting inhumi", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 04:26 PM 4/20/01 -0500, Nutria wrote:\n But back to your thesis. You're saying only Narrator can do astral \ntravel, not just any human, because of his Neighborliness. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I wondered about that. Do Horn's sons ever initiate travel on their own? \n\nIf not, then I've already given a reason why the Narrator would have a\nNeighborly ability that no other human has--his life was completely\nremolded by the Neighbors' magic/science in a way that no other human's was. " }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Wombat, a.k.a. Kevin Maroney kmaroney at ungames.com\nKitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction\nhttp://www.nyrsf.com\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com" }, "date": "2001-04-20T16:33:58+00:00", "subject": "RE: (whorl) Teleporting inhumi", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Say... doesn't the astral travelling only begin after Oreb\nbrings the Narr back the ring?\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Kevin J. Maroney [mailto:kmaroney at ungames.com]\nSent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:45 PM\nTo: whorl at lists1.ba.best.com\nSubject: Re: (whorl) Teleporting inhumi" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 04:26 PM 4/20/01 -0500, Nutria wrote:\n But back to your thesis. You're saying only Narrator can do astral" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "travel, not just any human, because of his Neighborliness. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I wondered about that. Do Horn's sons ever initiate travel on their own? \n\nIf not, then I've already given a reason why the Narrator would have a\nNeighborly ability that no other human has--his life was completely\nremolded by the Neighbors' magic/science in a way that no other human's was." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Wombat, a.k.a. Kevin Maroney kmaroney at ungames.com\nKitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction\nhttp://www.nyrsf.com\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] } ] }