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  "thread": {
    "id": 1387,
    "subject": "teleporting inhumu",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "2001-04-21T00:56:49+00:00",
    "last": "2001-04-22T21:44:39+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<whorl-v0012-0688@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Robert Borski",
        "address": "rborski at charter.net"
      },
      "date": "2001-04-21T00:56:49+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Re: teleporting inhumu",
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          "text": "The water rat, Dan'l D'Tree and Kevin M. all contributing to the following\nthread:"
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          "text": "But back to your thesis. You're saying only Narrator can do astral travel,\nnot just any human, because of his Neighborliness.>"
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          "text": "<I wondered about that. Do Horn's sons ever initiate travel on their own? If\nnot, then I've already given a reason why the Narrator would have a\nNeighborly ability that no other human has--his life was completely remolded\nby the Neighbors' magic/science in a way that no other human's was.>\n\n<Say... doesn't the astral travelling only begin after Oreb brings the Narr\nback the ring?>\n\nMy own explanation for Horn's Neighborliness, of course, is that he's part\nPassilk, and Pas is selon moi a Neighbor--not that Horn's life has been\nreconstructed/reconstituted by the technomagic of the Neighbors. The net\nresult is still the same.\n\nAlso: isn't the ring Oreb brings back a different ring? And as far as this\nbeing the instigator of Horn's astral travels, he's given the original ring\nearly on by Seawrack, but despite access to an inhumu (Krait), never does\nany astral traveling. If you wish to argue this is because he has not been\ntransformed by the Neighbors yet, why given him the ring in the first\nplace--since it's unlikely the Neighbors know Horn will eventually be\nuploaded in Silk's body?\n\nRobert Borski\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0012-0690@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Fernando Q. Gouvea",
        "address": "fqgouvea at colby.edu"
      },
      "date": "2001-04-21T09:16:17+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: teleporting inhumu",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0012-0688@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "**** On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:56:49 -0500, \"Robert Borski\" <rborski at charter.net> said:\n\nRB> Also: isn't the ring Oreb brings back a different ring? And as far as\nRB> this being the instigator of Horn's astral travels, he's given the\nRB> original ring early on by Seawrack, but despite access to an inhumu\nRB> (Krait), never does any astral traveling. If you wish to argue this is\nRB> because he has not been transformed by the Neighbors yet, why given him\nRB> the ring in the first place--since it's unlikely the Neighbors know\nRB> Horn will eventually be uploaded in Silk's body?\n\nI'm not convinced the ring has anything to do with it either, but as to\nHorn not engaging in astral travel: isn't there a sequence, when Horn is in\nthe pit, in which he suddenly finds himself back on the island with Nettle?\nI don't have the book here, but if I'm remembering right that looks like a\nfirst astral travel incident, completely involuntary on Horn's\npart. Presumably, Krait is nearby at that point.\n\nFernando"
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          "text": "Fernando Q. Gouvea                      \nDepartment of Mathematics          Editor, FOCUS and MAA Online\nColby College                      Mathematical Association of America\nWaterville, ME 04901               http://www.maa.org\nfqgouvea at colby.edu                      \n==========================================================\n\nNo one gets too old to learn a new way of being stupid.\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0012-0697@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "2001-04-22T21:44:39+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: teleporting inhumu",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0012-0690@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Robert Borski wrote:\nMy own explanation for Horn's Neighborliness, of course, is that he's part\nPassilk, and Pas is selon moi a Neighbor--not that Horn's life has been\nreconstructed/reconstituted by the technomagic of the Neighbors. The net\nresult is still the same."
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          "text": "Never mind the wacky Typhon-is-a-neighbor theory, I don't think there's\nany evidence that Pas or Passilk ever posessed Silk, Horn, or\nSilk|Horn.  Silk|Horn is Passilk inasmuch as there's some Silk in both of\nthem, but there's no Typhon in Silk|Horn.\n\n-Rostrum\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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