teleporting inhumu The Whorl list — 3 messages, 3 voices, 21 Apr 2001 https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/1387 Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. ============================================================================== Robert Borski — 21 Apr 2001, 00:56 The water rat, Dan'l D'Tree and Kevin M. all contributing to the following thread: > But back to your thesis. You're saying only Narrator can do astral travel, > not just any human, because of his Neighborliness.> My own explanation for Horn's Neighborliness, of course, is that he's part Passilk, and Pas is selon moi a Neighbor--not that Horn's life has been reconstructed/reconstituted by the technomagic of the Neighbors. The net result is still the same. Also: isn't the ring Oreb brings back a different ring? And as far as this being the instigator of Horn's astral travels, he's given the original ring early on by Seawrack, but despite access to an inhumu (Krait), never does any astral traveling. If you wish to argue this is because he has not been transformed by the Neighbors yet, why given him the ring in the first place--since it's unlikely the Neighbors know Horn will eventually be uploaded in Silk's body? Robert Borski *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fernando Q. Gouvea — 21 Apr 2001, 09:16 follows, by subject match Robert Borski **** On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:56:49 -0500, "Robert Borski" said: RB> Also: isn't the ring Oreb brings back a different ring? And as far as RB> this being the instigator of Horn's astral travels, he's given the RB> original ring early on by Seawrack, but despite access to an inhumu RB> (Krait), never does any astral traveling. If you wish to argue this is RB> because he has not been transformed by the Neighbors yet, why given him RB> the ring in the first place--since it's unlikely the Neighbors know RB> Horn will eventually be uploaded in Silk's body? I'm not convinced the ring has anything to do with it either, but as to Horn not engaging in astral travel: isn't there a sequence, when Horn is in the pit, in which he suddenly finds himself back on the island with Nettle? I don't have the book here, but if I'm remembering right that looks like a first astral travel incident, completely involuntary on Horn's part. Presumably, Krait is nearby at that point. Fernando -- Fernando Q. Gouvea Department of Mathematics Editor, FOCUS and MAA Online Colby College Mathematical Association of America Waterville, ME 04901 http://www.maa.org fqgouvea at colby.edu ========================================================== No one gets too old to learn a new way of being stupid. *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Straight — 22 Apr 2001, 21:44 follows, by subject match Fernando Q. Gouvea > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Robert Borski wrote: > My own explanation for Horn's Neighborliness, of course, is that he's part > Passilk, and Pas is selon moi a Neighbor--not that Horn's life has been > reconstructed/reconstituted by the technomagic of the Neighbors. The net > result is still the same. Never mind the wacky Typhon-is-a-neighbor theory, I don't think there's any evidence that Pas or Passilk ever posessed Silk, Horn, or Silk|Horn. Silk|Horn is Passilk inasmuch as there's some Silk in both of them, but there's no Typhon in Silk|Horn. -Rostrum *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------