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  "thread": {
    "id": 14,
    "subject": "on the airship",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1996-12-30T19:38:52+00:00",
    "last": "1996-12-31T11:08:39+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0001-0021@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "CoxRathvon",
        "address": "coxrathvon at aol.com"
      },
      "date": "1996-12-30T19:38:52+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) on the airship",
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          "text": "   I've just finished \"Exodus\" and have also just joined this\nterrific-looking mail group.  I have lots of questions about both ventures\n(the Long Sun books and the mailing list). Pardon this newbie for being a\nlittle slow to latch on.\n   If I'm not mistaken, somebody has asked about the conversation between\nSilk and Horn on the top of the airship.  I'm not sure how many replies have\nbeen posted.  But I do feel that that conversation is key, and I find it very\nenigmatic.  Why is Silk suicidally depressed?  And what happened at the end\nof that conversation--did Horn begin to fall and did Mucor save him?\n   Let me suggest that among other things Silk has begun to suspect\ncorruption in Pas's plan.  He may not specificaly suspect alien involvement\nin the plan.  But certainly--as he points out to Horn--he suspects that the\ncities of the Whorl have been separated and pitted against one another to\nprevent them from uniting against Pas.  I think that in this late hour of the\nstory, Silk has despaired of all the Whorl gods, and it takes a mighty effort\nfor him to retain his faith in the Outsider's more remote designs.  \n   But I do not understand the implications of Hycanith's falsity--that she\noverpowered a soldier and betrayed an ability (or something about her past)\ninconsistent with her claims about herself.  What am I missing here?  Can\nanyone help?  And again, what is the culmination of this scene, when Horn\nappears to fall?\n   Hoping for clarity,\nHenry Rathvon\n   \n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0001-0022@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Doug Eigsti",
        "address": "douge at nti.com"
      },
      "date": "1996-12-31T11:08:39+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (whorl) on the airship",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0001-0021@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "[Posted from Whorl, the mailing list for Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun]\n\n\n   I've just finished \"Exodus\" and have also just joined this\nterrific-looking mail group.  I have lots of questions about both ventures\n(the Long Sun books and the mailing list). Pardon this newbie for being a\nlittle slow to latch on.\n   If I'm not mistaken, somebody has asked about the conversation between\nSilk and Horn on the top of the airship.  I'm not sure how many replies have\nbeen posted.  But I do feel that that conversation is key, and I find it very\nenigmatic.  Why is Silk suicidally depressed?  And what happened at the end\nof that conversation--did Horn begin to fall and did Mucor save him?\n   Let me suggest that among other things Silk has begun to suspect\ncorruption in Pas's plan.  He may not specificaly suspect alien involvement\nin the plan.  But certainly--as he points out to Horn--he suspects that the\ncities of the Whorl have been separated and pitted against one another to\nprevent them from uniting against Pas.  I think that in this late hour of the\nstory, Silk has despaired of all the Whorl gods, and it takes a mighty effort\nfor him to retain his faith in the Outsider's more remote designs.  \n   But I do not understand the implications of Hycanith's falsity--that she\noverpowered a soldier and betrayed an ability (or something about her past)\ninconsistent with her claims about herself.  What am I missing here?  Can\nanyone help?  And again, what is the culmination of this scene, when Horn\nappears to fall?\n   Hoping for clarity,\nHenry Rathvon\n   "
        },
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          "text": "Henry,\n\n\tYou will find the posting by David Adrian \"Re: Narrative\nViewpoint\" pertinent. I am reading through the first three books to\nprepare myself for EXODUS. The knowledge that Horn is the narrator puts a\ndifferent slant on many scenes. How much of Silk's story is Horn's\nfiction, or rather Wolfe's fiction within a fiction? Readers of PEACE will\nknow that Wolfe likes to lead the reader through many levels of nested\nstories. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the entire Long Sun series\nis a sample of the fantastic genre literature found on one of the shelves\nin Master Ultan's library written by a contemporary of Typhon.\n\n=Doug=\n\n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com"
        }
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