{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/1448", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 1448, "subject": "Quotable Short Sun", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2001-06-15T04:38:32+00:00", "last": "2001-06-15T12:11:12+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Doug Eigsti", "address": "dougeigsti at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2001-06-15T04:38:32+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Quotable Short Sun", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "One of the reasons I read Gene Wolfe is for the great\nlines. Here then are some to roll off your tongue.\nAgain.\n\nTHE QUOTABLE SHORT SUN\npage.paragraph (- indicates from the bottom)\n\nON BLUE’S WATERS\n\n122.-2 Sometimes it is better to make haste slowly.\n185.2 If you wish to do a thing again, you must do it\nslowly.\n185.2 What is written with great rapidity is rarely\nread, or worth reading.\n211.3 Paradoxes explain everything. Since they do,\nthey can’t be explained.\n234.3 A closed mouth catches nae flies.\n237.-1 The eyes see what the mind expects.\n257.2 We are every bit as human as you are, whatever\nthat means.\n284.-2 If I need more courage than I have to live, I\nwill pretend to have it and live anyway.\n309.-2 A prisoner is free to get away if he can. I am\nno prisoner, and so cannot.\n340.8 I never told you how it was for me when you\ndied.\n348.-2 Buildings are temporary. Ideas permanent.\n354.6 Well, I can report that I’m in the god’s good\nbooks, since they’ve provided an unmistakable sign of\ntheir favor [humility].\n\n381.-2 \nI’m old now and soon must leave you,\nBut a fairer maid I ne’er did see.\nCurse me not that I bereave you,\nI cannot stay, no more would she.\nThese fair young girls live to deceive you, \nSad experience teaches me.\n\n\n\nIN GREEN’S JUNGLES\n\n18.-6 A wise man never harms another unless he intends\nto harm.\n24.-2 Experience is a wonderful teacher, but one whose\nlessons come to late.\n32.2 If work’s a good thing, why don’t the rich take\nit?\n48.2 Fight to the end, but fight to somebody else’s\nend.\n68.2 All stories are false, and none are falser than\nthose that are supposed to be true. The lie adds a\nsecond layer of falsity.\n74.-1 People of quality write letters.\n76.-4 It is nothing to say, “I will be logical.” It is\neverything to be logical.\n155.-4 At least I know how little I know.\n219.-4 [Definition of peace] A period of cheating\nbetween two periods of fighting.\n247.3 Interest, excitement and heroics enough for\nevery quill in Oreb’s wings.\n274.3 A war is never really won until the enemy’s\nability to wage war no longer exists.\n352.3 I won’t secure my safety at the price of my\nhonor.\n\n\n\nRETURN TO THE WHORL\n\n117.-3 Real stories, real events, never really end.\n122.5 Silence and darkness, and the weight of years.\n131.3 “Pretty often I thought I could have made it\nbetter,” to this Pas replied, “Yes, that’s what I\nwanted you to do.”\n142.2 We are but the paper. Our clothes are the ink.\n179.3 I’m causing him pain... Only children believe\nthat there is no difference between cruelty and\neducation.\n182.-3 Are you sure?... No, but I’m going to bet my\nlife on it…\n184.-1 Besides, to line out is to accept\nresponsibility of all that is let stand… No there\nreally are such things as honest mistakes; this\naccount is full of them, and I intend to leave it that\nway.\n214.4 One could not forget what one had not known.\n227.9 I’ve learned that I have a sort of mania for\nwriting down conversations.\n230.2 We live our lives in our thoughts or we do not\nlive.\n230.4 How do people with whom we walk in our dreams\nperceive our waking?\n235.-1 A good woman’s hair is never of a bad color.\n235.-3 Only love sees the unveiled truth.\n\n241.-2 [from the Charasmologic Writings]\nThere where a fountain’s gurgling waters play,\nthey rush to land, and end in feast the day:\nthey feed; then quaff; and now (their hunger fled)\nsigh for their friends and mourn the dead;\nnor cease their tears till each in slumber shares \na sweet forgetfulness of human cares.\nNow far the night advances her gloomy reign,\nAnd setting stars roll down the azure plain: \nAt the voice of Pas wild whirlwinds rise,\nAnd clouds and double darkness veil the skies.\n\n246.4 It’s far better to..to have a bad leg or\nsomething of the sort than a propensity for evil.\n262.-4 Leave beauty to your words. If your letters can\nbe read, for them that is beauty enough.\n271.2 Why are people mean? Because they separate\nthemselves from the Outsider.\n271.-4 It’s only a walking stick when I walk with it.\n272.-3 But it would be easier to overturn a mountain\nthan to replace it.\n275.2 A bad horse needs a big whip.\n232.-2 Whispers swept the throng that filled the Grand\nMantieon as a breeze sweeps a forest in leaf.\n338.-3 If you rob someone who would help you if you\nneeded help you only rob yourself.\n\n=Talon=\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jerry Friedman", "address": "jerry_friedman at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2001-06-15T09:01:00+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Quotable Short Sun", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- Doug Eigsti wrote:\nOne of the reasons I read Gene Wolfe is for the\ngreat\nlines. Here then are some to roll off your tongue.\nAgain.\n\nTHE QUOTABLE SHORT SUN\npage.paragraph (- indicates from the bottom)\n\nON BLUE’S WATERS\n\n122.-2 Sometimes it is better to make haste slowly." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Augustus Caesar, \"Festina lente\" (make hast slowly)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "185.2 If you wish to do a thing again, you must do\nit slowly." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": ";-)\n\n..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "234.3 A closed mouth catches nae flies." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "A European proverb. Prosper Merrimee cites a Romany\nversion in \"Carmen\" (a recommended story--the long\nversion has the weirdest ending I've ever read), and\ntranslates it into French as \"En close bouche n'entre\npoint mouche\", but I'll bet it's much older." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "237.-1 The eyes see what the mind expects." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "An old one--anybody know an original source?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "257.2 We are every bit as human as you are, whatever\nthat means." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "*smile*\n\n..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "381.-2 \nI’m old now and soon must leave you,\nBut a fairer maid I ne’er did see.\nCurse me not that I bereave you,\nI cannot stay, no more would she.\nThese fair young girls live to deceive you, \nSad experience teaches me." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "One of Wolfe's best, I think, though his supposed folk\nsongs always strike me as too smooth." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "IN GREEN’S JUNGLES\n\n18.-6 A wise man never harms another unless he\nintends to harm." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"A gentleman is one who never gives offense\nunintentionally.\" Don't remember the source." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "24.-2 Experience is a wonderful teacher, but one\nwhose lessons come too late." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I feel fairly sure this is a quotation from somewhere." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "32.2 If work’s a good thing, why don’t the rich take\nit?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ditto (not quite as sure).\n\n..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "155.-4 At least I know how little I know." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ditto.\n\n..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "247.3 Interest, excitement and heroics enough for\nevery quill in Oreb’s wings." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Good thing birds molt.\n\n..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "RETURN TO THE WHORL" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "...\n\nJerry Friedman" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com" }, "date": "2001-06-15T09:21:42+00:00", "subject": "RE: (whorl) Quotable Short Sun", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "24.-2 Experience is a wonderful teacher, but one\nwhose lessons come too late." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I feel fairly sure this is a quotation from somewhere." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think the usual form is \"Experience is what you get\nright after you need it,\" which I've seen attributed\nto Robert Fripp, but it's probably older than that." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "155.-4 At least I know how little I know." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Ditto." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Socrates. It's all in Plato -- what _do_ they teach \nthem in these schools?\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Betty, Brian", "address": "bbetty at foleyhoag.com" }, "date": "2001-06-15T12:11:12+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Quotable Short Sun", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Jerry F. wrote: \"A gentleman is one who never gives offense\nunintentionally.\" Don't remember the source.\n\nI first heard that from Robert A. Heinlein, but I doubt he's the originator.\n;- )\n\nAnna June\n*************\nSurah 101: The Calamity (al-Qari'a)\nThe qari'a\nWhat is the qari'a?\nWhat can tell you of the qari'a?\nA day humankind are like moths scattered\nAnd mountains are like fluffs of wool\nWhoever's scales weigh heavy\nHis is a life that is pleasing\nHis mother is Haayiyat\nWhat can tell you what she is?\nRaging fire\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] } ] }