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  "thread": {
    "id": 145,
    "subject": "Canna, Dr.Talos's play",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1997-03-04T08:29:29+00:00",
    "last": "1997-03-04T10:23:04+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0003-0203@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alice Turner",
        "address": "al at interport.net"
      },
      "date": "1997-03-04T08:29:29+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Canna, Dr.Talos's play",
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          "text": "Tercel was looking up Flier terms. I offer this for \"canna\" as the only\nGaelic definition in the OED. \"Glacaiocht\" isn't there.\n\ncannach (\"kan@x). Sc. Also canna. \n[a. Gaelic cánach.] \nThe Cotton-grass (Eriophorum). \n1803 A. Grant Poems 42 (Jam.) The downy cannach of the wat’ry moors. \n1804 Grahame Sabbath 244 Where the leafless cannachs wave their tufts Of\nsilky white. \n1810 Scott Lady of L. ii. xv, Still as the canna’s hoary beard. \n1852 D. Moir Desert. Churchyard, The hoary cannach. \n\n(I pasted that directly from my brand-new OED CD-ROM; it may come out\nlooking odd in your mailboxes, but I hope not.)\n\nTalon,  I don't think anything could make you actually *like* Dr. Talos's\nplay, but it's not entirely arbitrary. On one level it is a fairly close\nfollowing of the Persian creation myth with Dorcas, Severian and Jolenta\ntaking the parts that later Jewish myth assigns to Eve, Adam and Lilith.\n(Jahi is, quite literally, the Whore of Babylon referred to in Revelation;\nGayomart (Nod)--Baldanders--is the unsuccessful First Man that Jewish myth\neliminated). BotNS, taken through Book V, is itself a creation myth, with,\nat the end, Pega, Odilo and Thais standing in in a sort of parody of the\nplay; the Sleeper stands in for Baldanders rather than Sevarian, for\nSevarian is at this point the Autarch---God.\n\nThen it is prophetic in a cryptic way; it foretells the drowning of Urth\naccurately and refers to Apu-Punchau. The Contessa refers backward to\nThecla, but she stands for the exultant class in general. Mantis pointed\nout to me (to my astonishment!) that the scene she describes in Claw,228\nactually happens in Urth, 293. I haven't made a true study of the\nplay---and perhaps you're right, it's more for the puzzle-seekers---but I\nrespect it, and I would love to hear it performed, or in a staged reading.\n\n-alga- \n\n\n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com"
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    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0003-0204@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Doug Eigsti",
        "address": "douge at nti.com"
      },
      "date": "1997-03-04T10:23:04+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (whorl) Canna, Dr.Talos's play",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0003-0203@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "alga,\n\n\tThanks for the comments on Dr. Talos's play. Tying it into the \nGenesis story is an interesting perspective as well as the eschatological \nconnection with the whore of Bablyon. I appreciate the run down on some \nof the symbolic elements. All this is sure to help my enjoyment of the \nplay. I will be able to read it with new insight. I love little tidbits like \nthis. \n\tI can see how the cd-rom version of the OED would be very useful. \nI need to look into one myself.\n\n=Doug=\n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com"
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