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    "id": 1488,
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    "first": "2001-12-01T06:57:07+00:00",
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      "from": {
        "name": "j e",
        "address": "lo_phan17 at hotmail.com"
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      "date": "2001-12-01T06:57:07+00:00",
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          "text": "A lull in activity on this list for a while - Seems like a good time to cast \na tangents.\n\nWhat is intended by the opening of Green's Jungles? A man named Cugino \n(cousin in Italia,) cuts a vine from a tree and makes a staff for a \nwandering holy man. My first impression of the words used to describe the \ncutting of the vine are that the vine is doubled in the way that Blue's \nindiginous life have double the limbs we expect. Note that the Writer \nmentions Nadi's eight-legged crocs just before writing:\n\nTwo mighty blows severed its stem twice, and a third a thick branch at the \ntop of the severed portion. (pg 17 IGJ tpb)\n\nI'm not sure of the symbolism here but I notice the writer ceases to stop \npointing out this feature of Bluvian life forms. At least he does for the \nrest of IGJ, I haven't re-read RttW yet to look for more. And what about \ncousin Cugino? Is he in the family but not human? Why do his hands make the \nsound of two planks smacking rather than just sound like that? It occured to \nme he could be an actual wooden man as opposed to just a wood man...I'm \nlooking for other chems on Blue and he's my first choice. My guess is the \ntech was just a bit different in Grandecitta.\n\n\n\nIt seems to me the book (I mean SS as a whole) is largely about family and \nthe demons that family's have. The protagonist, through the structure of the \nbook is simultaneously on a quest away from his family and trying to return \nto it. A lot of OBW deals with Horn's relationship with his son Sinew and \nadopted son Krait as all three of them move toward a kind of Hell. In \nGreen's Jungles he tries to protect a family and its town.  I remember \nthinking at the end of RttW that it seemed sad that the family had been \nre-united with the exception of Sinew. That's not right though, the fact is \nSinew, though still on Green, has survived and has a family. Not true for \neither Horn or Krait. Horn is a ghost in Silk's mind (I think) and as for \nKrait even his mother is dead.\nI'm not sure that inhumi truly have familial relationships. My suspicion is \nthat if they do it's a lie, in the way that inhumi love or city living is a \nmasquerade. This aspect of the inhumi, I think, makes them creepiest and \nmost real. Wolfe must describing aspects of our world, right? The line of \ndivision the book seems to draw is that you are in the family or outside of \nit. Is this symbolized by the vine and the tree? The Writer tries to bring \nan inhumi into the family but the effort fails and he kicks her to death. \nThe wedding scene that follows ends in an inhumi slaughter.\n\nSome incomplete thoughts for now... below are a few names I've tried \ntranslating on the web.\n\nItalian\ncugino - cousin\nrigoglio - luxuriance\ncasco - helmet (united nations called caschi blu)\nschiamazza -  din, racket.\ndecina as in la colonna delle decine, the tens column\nonorifico honorary\nsoldo - money?\nsfida - challenge\nvalicare - to cross\nolmo - elm (note Peace fans, and who isn't a fan of peace ---the letter that \nbegins IGJ starts Olmo has fallen\ncuoio - hide\neco  - echo\ntordo - thrush\nterza - third\n\nHindu----not so sure about the accuracy but fwiw:\nchoora - four (the Rajan's knife)\nhari mau every may?\njahlee jail?\nchota - instantly, a snap, at once, a blot —\ndarjan - a dozen\nchandi - fierce angry passionate\ngaon - knowledge understanding knowing\nram  - a negative value a debit an obligation\npehla - an ornament worn by ladies\n\nGerman\ngeier - vulture\nwichote - german word but I can't find a definition\n\nAll for now --\n\neule"
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