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  "thread": {
    "id": 1525,
    "subject": "Digest whorl.v012.n183",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "2002-01-08T04:58:31+00:00",
    "last": "2002-01-08T04:58:31+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0013-whorl.v012.n184.2@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Joe Eull",
        "address": "lo_phan17 at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-01-08T04:58:31+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: Digest whorl.v012.n183",
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          "text": "Trying to digest the thesis Marc's  been developing. There are a lot of\nelements.\nOne question though? If Horn is in Babbie, why have him in glasses? Silk is\nmore likely to be in glasses, no? I do think there is something to this, but\nre-reading\nthe relevant chapters didn't help me work it out. It makes me wonder though.\nThe neighbour\nHoof sees in the ring is pictured on the limb of a tree. I've always\nimagined this meant she was\non a ship, like the Ship Severian takes to Yesod. I thought this because of\nan essay idea I've\nbeen nursing about trees in UotNS. But an interesting thing occured to me:.\nThe second thing\nSeverian describes after the flooding of the House Absolute, is an uprooted\ntree, floating in the\nrisen ocean (UotNS Orb pg310)."
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          "text": "That is to say, the example we have in the text (URTH), is that the Ship\nsails out of the Briah universe and into the (presumably tachyonic)\nuniverse of Yesod. Then Severian gets =off= the ship, spends a short\namount\nof time (a local day or so, iirc) on the world/ship Yesod, and then, from\n=within= the world/ship Yesod (which might be another universe\nalltogether,\ni.e., \"Abaddon\") Severian is teleported (simultaneity) to Briatic space,\nnear enough to the Ship to be drawn onboard with a life saver."
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          "text": "I've been trying to remember Wolfe stories that talk about FTL drive.\nSilouette\ndescribes the return trip as an out of phase wave which cancels the time\ndilation effect,\nand I think Alien Stones has something I'll check later.\nIn UotNS, it seems like Severian's return is like an electron stepping down\na valence shell.\nCould the new sun be corroborant with this kind of radiance? Severian has\nmade long trip\nacross the centuries going up to Yesod, can the energy gained be used to\ncreate a new sun\nin Briah? Do Ymar and S's predecessor contribute energy by their journey's?\n10 foot pole\ntapping in the dark here...very dangerous with Sev 3 out there.\n\nJoe Eull"
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