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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 1541, "subject": "eureka: Proof that trees are neigbors and overview", "messages": 1, "voices": 1, "first": "2002-01-09T16:01:06+00:00", "last": "2002-01-09T16:01:06+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "maa32", "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu" }, "date": "2002-01-09T16:01:06+00:00", "subject": "eureka: Proof that trees are neigbors and overview", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Now that I have proven that plants can double limbs and that it is a common \noccurence, I will provide a final bit of evidence that seals everything \ntogether. When I first posited that Horn left Silk's body at the end of On \nBlue's Waters, Nutria replied that neighborly contact was necessary. Look at \nthe last couple of pages of On Blue's Waters. Where does the narrator go to \nsleep before that section where Babbie is the narrator shows up? He falls \nasleep on a large tree, \"just like we had on Green\". This is the neighborly \ncontact we sought.\n\nThe trees create the neighbors and all life by recombining with them. The \nwoodsman in On blue's Waters pissed off the neighbors when he went and cut a \ntree down. The vine at the beginning of In Green's Jungles that Cugino cuts \ndown is from one of these huge trees and is an evil liana (which I think is \nthe primitive form of inhumu before they consume any animals - remember the \nepiphany of Hoof in chapter 17: that moment when you realize that \"a stick is \na snake without moving\". Look at how often Krait and Jahlee are compared to \nsnakes: indeed, when Jahlee and the narrator first go to Urth, she clings to \nhim \"like a liana\". In real life, a liana vine (there is also a liana snake) \nis hollow and holds a ton of water, which enters through its funky holes. The \nliana staff has been feeding on Silk and making him sick, either depriving him \nof water because some part of Horn became neighbor-like and vegetative when he \nfell in the hole (which MIGHT account for the narrator's poor apetite: the \nexchange of DNA has left some remnant of photosynthesis (or perhaps he feels \nhimself becoming what he eats: that part still needs some development.)\n\nSo: it is the far future after the flood. Silk returns to the past to restore \nCillinia to her grave because a human must do it or it comes undone (like the \nclearing of the sewers Horn had to do [also, note the parallels between Horn \nin that scene and Severian: carries a sword and a light which he loses in a \nflood just like Severian lost Terminus Est and the Claw in the battle at the \nlake; when he completes his task a huge flood washes all human traces away \nexcept a blind man] and in return finds out from The mother's mother (or \nperhaps the mother herself) or arranges for the return of Seawrack so that the \nMother will no longer seek to destroy mankind in the future. The inhumi \nboarded the Long Sun Whorl from the beginning, and they are possibly the \nwitches, and as someone so cogently pointed out, the Cumean who has some \nrelationship with the moon where, low and behold, the inhumu come from in the \nform of terraforming gone awry and too successfully adapting to the \nenvironment. Remember that eerie scene where he sees her in the moon and \nthinks she has a totally different form (i think it is in shadow of the \ntorturer --> he says she is wearing a body not her own or something: the \nwitches ARE inhumu, and the Cummean is from the moon)\nAlso, note that scene when Silk climbs up the cliff in Return to the Whorl and \nmeets the man in the colorless cloak on Green when he retreives Jahlee: he is \n\"much lighter\" than he had ever been before and doesn't have any problem \nclimbing up that huge cliff and fighting off all those inhumu with one hand. \nTyphon has arranged for his return after the flood, and will rule Blue through \nhis downloaded aspect of Pas, and had perhaps sent some of the sleepers \nprogrammed to seek out the conciliator (what was Rigoglio thinking when they \ntransported to that particular place? something about eponyms...) Also, \nremember what happened to the sleepers that came down with the landers? Silk \nwon't tell Rigoglio - he breaks it off. They are the slaves that Marrow and \nthe others employ because they are confused and lived to serve Typhon.\nand that strange four armed man in the sea who boards Horn's ship in On blue's \nwaters, who he posits might have requested eternal life ... could a tree have \ngotten a hold of some of Severian's DNA? I don't know, but that man on green \nwho walks \"in a stiff bird like fashion\" wrapped in a colorless cloak seems \npretty familiar to me. Who walks in a stiff, bird like fashion? Is it \nsomeone we know? Remember how the narrator keeps referring to Severian as his \nyoung \"friend\",(in fact, he refuses to name Severian) and then how Jahlee \ncasts out the bones in the tower and tells him they belong to his \"friend\"? \nHow long would someone like Severian live? Can he never die? \nThe question was not \"where is Silk\", but \"where is Horn?\". \nAnd read the very very first letter from Pajarocu: something about a gray man \nspeaking to \"us\". Is Heirax ever represented as gray? He's involved \nsomehow... and he has to die, too --> but not entirely.\n\nI think I've done a pretty good job making sense of the Masterpiece that is \nThe Book of the Short Sun. There is still a lot to do. Remember who did all \nthis.\nMarc Aramini" } ] } ] }