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    "id": 184,
    "subject": "coo coup/fish & fowl",
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    "first": "1997-04-10T00:56:00+00:00",
    "last": "1997-04-10T00:56:00+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<whorl-v0004-0028@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "m.driussi",
        "address": "m.driussi at genie.com"
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      "date": "1997-04-10T00:56:00+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) coo coup/fish & fowl",
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          "text": "Reply:  Item #7776624 from WHORL at LISTS.BEST.COM@INET01#\n\nalga,\n\nRe: Thecla/half-sister Thea(/Catherine?--if she's a khaibit of one or\nthe other) coo, good point.  Re: Church of the Conciliator, another good\npoint.  (Maybe I'm just remembering them from you telling me before, but\nI was about to mention them for you anyway.)\n\n(You know, I'm becoming more convinced that you would really\nappreciate Peter Wright's essays in that \"Foundation No. 66\"--now I'm\ndown to wondering if you would have anything to argue against them\nbeyond simple quibbles!)\n\nVance,\n\nRe: ghost of Pike, you are right, of course--a third possibility is\nthat \"things are really what they seem\" and thus the ghost is a\n\"real\" ghost rather than a computer generated eidolon or\n\"techno-ghost\" (from New Sun and end of EXODUS THE LONG SUN).  But I\nthink that, even if this is true, it has pretty much the same effect\nas if it were an eidolon--in other words, it has a greater reality\nthan the forgery of Quetzal disguising himself as Pike.\n\nThere is definitely a tie between Quetzal and Pike.  For starters,\nQuetzal is most likely the same devil/vampire that Pike fended off so\nmany years ago.\n\nPersonally, I think the explanation for the appearance of ghostpike\nis that Quetzal accidentally brought Pike down from Main Frame.  The\nsequence goes like this: Silk is summoned to fight vampire; Silk carves\nhis name five stories up [Talon's note: \"five,\" but that's another story!],\nalong with Pike's name, as a talisman against vampires (I've seen this\nsort of thing in vampire lit, too--sometimes the cross is a swastika, I\nthink); Quetzalreturns for more young blood, sees the names carved there,\nand \"goes wide\" by his own account to Remora (so the magic works--go figure);\nQuetzal, obviously thinking of old times with Pike, maybe even checking the\nrecords at Main Frame (\"Isn't that old codger =dead= yet?  Oh yeah,\nhere it is--died last year.  Go back to sleep, ghost.\"), flies over to Sun\nStreet manteion for a peek at this presumptive heir to Pike; catches ghostgirl\nMucor (in the buff) in Silk's room and flies back out; then [thank you for\nyour patience] ENTER PIKE, just like how Bustard wanders back from the land\nof the dead following Auk back, or like how Silk meets his four parents in the\nsame way.\n\nSee, Pike followed Quetzal back to the land of the living for a quick\nvisit and was happy with what he saw. OR psi-magically, having both\nQuetzal and Silk thinking about Pike made mischivous Mucor go wake\nthe ghost up for a visit, in the same way she seems to activate the\nother \"sleeping\" gods of Viron.\n\nRe: Rose having a daughter (1, p. 69).  Nope.  I think that passage is\nreferring to Scylla, the daughter of Echidna, rather than any mortal\ndaughter.\n\nRe: how did Silk kill Hierax the bird.  Well, as I understand it, the\nbird's wings were clipped so it couldn't fly away.  As Silk was\nlosing conciousness he managed to push the bird off the roof and it\nfell to its death.\n\nRe: Urus and the Triv at the tavern.  One thing this suggests is that\nUrus was not previously employed by Trivigaunte--otherwise he would\nhave brought this up.  Urus is the one that Mint says is Evil.  The\ninformation he gives leads to the attempted assassination of Spider,\ndoesn't it?  (I'm trying to remember.  Eland is killed, mistaken for\nSpider--and a lynx dies, too.  Ordered by Siyuf, presumably carried\nout by Willet/Hossaan.)  Silk puzzled it together about that far, I\nthink, and told somebody who told Horn.\n\n=mantis="
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