{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/214", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 214, "subject": "Digest whorl.v001.n060", "messages": 5, "voices": 4, "first": "1997-03-15T11:56:07+00:00", "last": "1997-03-17T18:42:03+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Alice Turner", "address": "al at interport.net" }, "date": "1997-03-15T11:56:07+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v001.n060", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "ranjit:\nI am somewhat in favor of just one list, but I can understand your reasons\nfor a distinct Whorl list for archival purposes. How about two, for the\nWhorl and one for all else. It stands to reason that those of us who have\nfound our way here (there aren't *that* many of us) are pretty well\nacquainted with the oeuvre and would like to be able to segue. \n\nJim:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\tI'd like to know if the ladies in our discussion feel Wolfe did a good\njob\nof getting into the head of a young girl." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm the only lady in our discussion, and I thought it was adequate on a YA\nlevel, no more. Not as appalling as Heinlein similar efforts." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\tNessus is Buenos Aires. Say \"Nos Aires\" fast ten times. Location is part\nof the evidence, but so is the fact that Blind Ultan is the famous blind\nlibrarian of Buenos Aires, Horky-Borky (Jorge Borges), known for his\nlabyrinth fiction, tying in to the labyrinthian library, etc." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Do you have this from the Wolfe's mouth? If you don't, I'll beg to differ\nwith you. In my opinion, Nessus is, in a general way, Alexandria. Will\nback this up if you don't have the tap from the source---otherwise, of\ncourse, will concede.\n\n-alga-\n\n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Derek Bell", "address": "dbell at maths.tcd.ie" }, "date": "1997-03-16T15:02:47+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v001.n060", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In message <199703152101.NAA12180 at lists1.best.com>, Alice Turner writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "[on Nessus==Buenos Aires]\nDo you have this from the Wolfe's mouth? If you don't, I'll beg to differ\nwith you. In my opinion, Nessus is, in a general way, Alexandria. Will\nback this up if you don't have the tap from the source---otherwise, of\ncourse, will concede." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\tI agree - there's a resemblance between both Nessus and\nAlexandria. Nessus has a large library and is the principal city of the\nCommonwealth. I'm not convinced about the \"Nos Aires\" link, but that\nmay be more convincing in some accent other than mine. I agree that\nMaster Ultan is a Borges figure and Wolfe said once that if Borges\ndidn't exist, any author who created him would deserve a Nobel Prize\nfor literature. (FWIW, I like Borges' writings, too.)\n\n\tTercel\n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Patera Jack", "address": "revjack at radix.net" }, "date": "1997-03-16T19:42:16+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v001.n060", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "On Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:02:47 +0000, Derek Bell wrote:\n\n: \n: [Posted from Whorl, the mailing list for Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun]\n: \n: In message <199703152101.NAA12180 at lists1.best.com>, Alice Turner writes:\n: >[on Nessus==Buenos Aires]\n: >Do you have this from the Wolfe's mouth? If you don't, I'll beg to differ\n: >with you. In my opinion, Nessus is, in a general way, Alexandria. Will\n: >back this up if you don't have the tap from the source---otherwise, of\n: >course, will concede.\n: \n: \tI agree - there's a resemblance between both Nessus and\n: Alexandria. Nessus has a large library and is the principal city of the\n: Commonwealth.\n\nI was under the impression that Nessus was below the equator, and that\none had to travel north to reach the hot jungles at \"the waist of the\nUrth\". Urth's magnetic fields may have flipped several times, but I\ndon't think that civilization would globally agree to swap the\ndesignations \"north\" and \"south\" at those times.\n\nJ\n_________________\nrevjack at radix.net\n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jim Jordan", "address": "jbjordan at gnt.net" }, "date": "1997-03-17T11:44:52+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v001.n060", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "At 11:56 AM 3/15/97 -0500, you wrote:\n\nConcerning Nessus:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Do you have this from the Wolfe's mouth? If you don't, I'll beg to differ\nwith you. In my opinion, Nessus is, in a general way, Alexandria. Will\nback this up if you don't have the tap from the source---otherwise, of\ncourse, will concede.\n\n-alga-" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\tNo, I don't recall Gene's having told me that. I've assumed it from the\nbeginning, and have never questioned it. We are in the southern hemisphere,\nand the civilization is undergirded by the Word of the Borgesian library.\nThe only problem I've had is that at one point Vodalus (as I recall) says\nthat Urth has flipped on its axis once. Well, if that be correct, it must\nhave happened twice for the Buenos Aires connection to be correct.\n\tI took Nessus as (Bue)Nos Aires in the same way that Cordwainer Smith's\nMeeya Meefla is Miami Fla. But, that was me, not Wolfe. Smith is not a\nmajor influence on Wolfe, despite appearances. (It seems that they both\nthink along the same lines, and that creates the appearance of some\ndependance.)\n\tWhat I have never done is try to \"solve the crossword puzzle\" (to use\nMantis's felicitous analogy) by looking for evidence of the direction of\nflow of the river, whether Urth flipped more than once, etc. If the river\nflows west instead of east, and if we are in South America, then perhaps\nNessus is Santiago.\n\tNow, one other point: Pas has loaded the cargo of Starcrosser with locals.\nThese locals sip mate and are generally (in Viron) a South American\nculture. This would indicate that Typhon's domain is in the Argentine area,\nnot in an Egyptian area. AHA, but the Trivigauntes speak a kind of Arabic,\nso maybe they and not the Vironese were the local population around\nTyphon's throne. \n\tSo, okay. I give up. Gene has defeated me. Where's my .357 Magnum....\n\tIf Urth flipped only once, then the Alexandria suggestion makes more\nsense; especially since Alexandria is noted for its library. In that case,\nthe Ultanian nod to Borges would just be a nod, and not a Clew!\n\tSo then: What do you see as evidence for Alexandria?\n\nJBJordan (Hmmm. What shall I be? How about Nutria!)\n\n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Derek Bell", "address": "dbell at maths.tcd.ie" }, "date": "1997-03-17T18:42:03+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v001.n060", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In message <199703161940.LAA15782 at lists1.best.com>, Patera Jack writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I was under the impression that Nessus was below the equator, and that\none had to travel north to reach the hot jungles at \"the waist of the\nUrth\"." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\tUrk - I wasn't clear enough in what I said - I meant it as a\nmetaphorical similarity. I agree that the Commonwealth is most likely\nin South America, though I don't know the area well enough to say\nwhich city is the most likely candidate.\n\n\tTercel\n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com" } ] } ] }