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    "id": 273,
    "subject": "Welcome Joel",
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    "first": "1997-05-07T23:59:00+00:00",
    "last": "1997-05-07T23:59:00+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<whorl-v0005-0250@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "m.driussi",
        "address": "m.driussi at genie.com"
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      "date": "1997-05-07T23:59:00+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Welcome Joel",
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          "text": "Reply:  Item #0435467 from WHORL at LISTS.BEST.COM@INET02#\n\nWelcome aboard, Joel.\n\nGee, tons of stuff here.  I don't think I'll have the ergs to (try\nto) answer them all.\n\nYes, our alga (temporarily away at the moment) is the multi-talented\nhistorian of Hell.\n\nRe: is Pas =really= Typhon?  Add to the \"similarities\" list: title\n\"Monarch.\"  Oh, enough toying--\"Daddy [Pas] was Typhon the first,\nback home [Urth]\" LAKE, ch. 11, 275.\n\nRe: is Pas/Typhon the only link so far?  Nope.  Scylla is mentioned\none time in NEW SUN.  FWIW, and I suspect you are looking for a lot\nmore than that.\n\nRe: Typhon's interstellar empire possible without FTL ships and/or\ncommunication?  Well first off, Typhon was trying to rebuild a fallen\ninterstellar empire--so it had already been done at least once\nbefore; the so-called First Empire.  Second, it seems that\nnear-lightspeed STL travel (using those photonic sails) is possible within\nthe skin of the Briah universe, and at near-lightspeed, starships need not\nbe \"generational\" to get around (time dilation makes shiptime pass\nquite quickly).  Third, FTL seems to be a technological leap above\nthese magical photonic sails and basically amounts to leaving Briah\nand entering a tachyon universe (Yesod-as-hyperspace) where time\nflows backward.\n\nIn New Sun, Typhon talks of people with ships abandoning him and\nleaving Urth.  So it would seem that the starfaring remnant of the\nFirst Empire (and/or the angelic fleets of Yesod) that he had\nenlisted cut and ran when rebellion broke out (or maybe their leaving\ntriggered the rebellion?).\n\nRe: \"If Typhon had access to the sort of technology that even the\nCouncilors had,\" I'm afraid I don't understand this part.\n\nRe: Blue/Green as mutual satellites.  The word used to describe the\nconditions wherein inhuma cross from Green to Blue is \"conjunction.\"\n(I don't recall seeing the term \"air bridge\" in Long Sun [although it\nmight be used for a location of the House Absolute in New Sun].)\n\nWhile \"conjunction\" can be used to describe two Earth/Luna positions,\nit is more often used to describe positions between Earth and any other\nfull fledged planet.  For one reason: Earth/Luna conjunctions occur\nwith great frequency, once a month; Earth/Mars conjunctions occur once\nevery 779.9 days (two years or so); Earth/Venus conjunctions every\n584 days.\n\nWhy does this matter?  Well, in the real world of space travel, the most\nenergy efficient mode of travel between two planets is called the\nHohmann Transfer Orbit (HTO).  It uses conjunctions of the planets to\ntheir full advantage--even so, travel time is measured in months:\nEarth/Venus = 146 days, Earth/Mars = 260 days.\n\nSo I don't think there is an air bridge between Blue and Green.  I\nthink they are separate planets, like Venus/Earth or Earth/Mars; I\nthink that the inhuma swim through the relatively hard vacuum of space\nin dog-paddling imitation of the more stately (\"breast stroke\"?)\nundines and hierogrammates; and that, if the conjunctions were every\nmonth, as happens with Earth/Luna, or even every two months, the place\nwould be crawling with so many vampires that what would be the point of\nnoting a new conjuction?  But all of this is just my opinion.\n\nThe text also mentions that when Green is close it is almost like a\nsecond sun at night and it exerts monster tides.  Hmmm.  This factoid\npoints towards a highly eccentric orbit, methinks.  Green could be a\nmoon of Blue, but then the tides would =always= be monstrous.  Seems\nto me more likely that Blue and Green have a complex orbit like that\nof Pluto and Neptune, where sometimes wild Pluto is inside of\nNeptune's orbit.\n\nRe: the wormy thing in Father Inire's workshop.  No, it was a\nbutterfly woman.  I.e., Tzadkiel.\n\nRe: shiprock.  I was more reminded of the concrete onboard the\nstarship \"Tzadkiel,\" myself.  (Which in turn is different from the\nstressed ice of the starship in \"Silhouette,\" fwiw.)\n\n=mantis="
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