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  "thread": {
    "id": 321,
    "subject": "Digest whorl.v005.n022",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1997-06-02T09:32:01+00:00",
    "last": "1997-06-02T17:17:53+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0005-0319@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Ron Crown, St. Louis University",
        "address": "crownrw at slu.edu"
      },
      "date": "1997-06-02T09:32:01+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v005.n022",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "While it may be a symbol of the Greek Orthodox Church, the gammadion as it\nappears in the Book of the Long Sun seems more reminiscent of the T symbol\nfrom Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.  In that book, the T of the Model T\nbecame the symbol of the state religion; the purely material becomes divine.\nThe gammadion in Long Sun is just a set of screwdrivers that can be joined\nend to end for ease of storage; again the purely material becomes divine.\nIn Brave New World I think it is a case of people having forgotten what the\ndivine really is.  As for Long Sun, Comely Kypris herself says that the\nChapter was set up as a parody of the state religion on Urth."
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          "text": "But the difference is that the T symbol was not originally part of a state\nreligion but becomes such as part of Huxley's ironic comment on the \ndivinisation of the material (or vice versa?) while, assuming that there \nis some connection between our Earth (which may be assuming a lot) and \nthe WHORL/URTH, a symbol which was originally religious continues to \nfunction in something of a quasi-religious or downgraded religious \nfunction.  Aren't priests the only ones who carry the gammadion?  For \nthat matter, is anyone besides Silk mentioned as having one?  \nFurthermore, the gammadion does function as a tool for working on the \n'Windows', the sources of 'revelation' whether you regard that revelation \nas true or false or (better I think) truth which conceals another truth?  \nAnd I don't think that Wolfe uses language in a sort of simple \nequivalence such as gammadion = screwdriver and nothing more; after all, \nhe could have invented some science fictinal gobbledygook for futuristic \ntools like they do on Star Trek (induced phase decoupler or some such \nnonsense)."
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          "text": "Is your question about secondary works related to a desire for an\nindex of them or of obtaining the artifacts themselves?\n\nBoth, obviously--but I mean, \"Urth-Man Extraordinary\" has a very good\nindex.  You mentioned \"Vector\" and \"early 80s\"--I see listings for\nVector #118 (2-84) and  #119 (4-84), as well as Vector #65 (5/6-73!)."
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          "text": "mantis, thanks for reminding me of \"Urth-Man Extraordinary\"; I've\nbeen meaning to buy a copy from Chris Drumm (who has all the Galactic \nCentral bibs available, I think) but wasn't aware that it included \nsecondary items as well.  Eventually, I'd like to obtain copies of the \n'artifacts' of course; but for right now I'm satisfied with bibliographic \nreferences.  As it happens, I've got all three of the Vector items you \nmentioned.\n\nRon Crown\ncrownrw at slu.edu"
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0005-0320@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Matthew Freestone",
        "address": "matthew at matthewf.demon.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "1997-06-02T17:17:53+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v005.n022",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0005-0319@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "The consensus seems to be that there are just the two issues of 'The\nBook of Gold'. I have copies of both which I can photocopy if anyone is\ndesperate to see them. \nNo. 1 contains mainly 'Soldier of the Mist'-related material. There's a\nreview with a glossary that covers some gaps in the book's own list, and\nthere's a column of chapter-by-chapter analysis of what exactly is going\non in SOTM. There's also a short piece on names in 'New Sun'.\n--                              II         |\\      _,,,---,,_\nMatt Freestone                  II    zzz. /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_.\nmatthew at matthewf.demon.co.uk    II        |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\\ (  `'-'\nwww.matthewf.demon.co.uk/       II       '---''(_/--'  `-'\\_)"
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