{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/384", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 384, "subject": "Kalevala", "messages": 5, "voices": 4, "first": "1997-07-01T08:45:40+00:00", "last": "1997-07-02T23:24:37+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "RRHMAH", "address": "rrhmah at aol.com" }, "date": "1997-07-01T08:45:40+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Kalevala", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In a message dated 97-07-01 03:22:55 EDT, Mantis writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "And\n a trilogy based upon the (modern synthetic) Scandinavian (Finnish?)\n epic poem that starts with a \"K\"(?)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The poem is the Kalevala. The books are by Ian Watson.\n\nRich Horton" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "m.driussi", "address": "m.driussi at genie.com" }, "date": "1997-07-01T16:01:00+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Kalevala", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Reply: Item #3107202 from WHORL at LISTS.BEST.COM@INET00#\n\nRich Horton,\n\nAh yes, the Kalevala. I was thinking of Emil Petaja's sf version.\nNo doubt there are others--has Ian Watson written one?\n\nAlastair,\n\nHello and welcome aboard!\n\nRe: whorl/Cerberus, while it hasn't been done to death, I think we\nhave gotten ourselves a little dizzy on it (chasing our tails). The\ngood news is we've just put the question to Gene Wolfe himself, so we\ndon't have to think too much about it for a few weeks--until the\nanswer comes. (Then we can argue about that! )\n\n=mantis=" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Derek Bell", "address": "dbell at maths.tcd.ie" }, "date": "1997-07-01T19:13:49+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Kalevala", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In message <199707011247.FAA00431 at lists1.best.com>, RRHMAH at aol.com writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "[Posted from WHORL, the mailing list for Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun]\nIn a message dated 97-07-01 03:22:55 EDT, Mantis writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "And\n a trilogy based upon the (modern synthetic) Scandinavian (Finnish?)\n epic poem that starts with a \"K\"(?)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The poem is the Kalevala. The books are by Ian Watson." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\tAs an aside, I think Tolkien used the Kalevala as the basis\nfor the tale of Turam Turambar(?) in the Silmarillion.\n\n\tDerek" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jonathan Coxhead", "address": "jonathan at doves.demon.co.uk" }, "date": "1997-07-02T17:56:01+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Kalevala", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "And\n a trilogy based upon the (modern synthetic) Scandinavian (Finnish?)\n epic poem that starts with a \"K\"(?)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "The poem is the Kalevala. The books are by Ian Watson." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " The Kalevala is not entirely synthetic, though it is of modern\ncomposition (1835). The roots are all in \"real\" Finnish folklore though, and\nthe author (Elias Lönnrot) is a national figure.\n\n Ian Watson wrote 2 (fat!) books inspired by it: _Lucky's_Harvest_ and\n_The_ _Fallen_Moon_.\n\n Er ... why were we talking about this?" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "RRHMAH", "address": "rrhmah at aol.com" }, "date": "1997-07-02T23:24:37+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Re: Kalevala", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'd forgotten about Petaja's version. Ian Watson wrote two books: Lucky's\nHarvest and The Fallen Moon, quite recently, based also on the Kalevala.\n\nAnd welcome to Alastair. A coincidence that he joins this list just as I\nhave read his fine SF thriller \"A Spy in Europa\", the cover story of the June\nInterzone. Nice biter-bit (he-he) ending! \n\nI must confess to have missed the Tick-Tock the crest cat reference: and I\nread _The Universe Against Her_ not 6 months ago. But now Mr. Langford\nbrings it up, I think it must be a little joke of Mr. Wolfe's. (Similar to\nthe Vernor Vinge books shelved under W in _Fifth Head_.)\n\nTusk (Rich Horton)" } ] } ] }