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  "thread": {
    "id": 388,
    "subject": "Blue & Green same as worlds in Fifth Head of Cerberus?",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1997-07-02T14:12:05+00:00",
    "last": "1997-07-03T08:11:21+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0006-0502@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Peter Cash",
        "address": "cash at rsn.hp.com"
      },
      "date": "1997-07-02T14:12:05+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Blue & Green same as worlds in Fifth Head of Cerberus?",
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          "text": "David Langford wrote:\n...Like I suspect many readers, my reaction\nwhen we learn that Whorl has arrived at what appears to the\nsame double-planet system as featured in The Fifth Head of Cerberus\nwas one of surprise (I think \"bloody hell\" was the phrase!) but\nI wonder, is there a consensus on whether Wolfe \"means\" this,\nor is he just playing with a similar theme?...Personally\nI have trouble seeing how Whorl, Severian etc can fit in the same\nuniverse as Fifth Head, which seemed much more recognisably\nlinked to the present, but, again, I really must reread it."
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          "text": "Actually, I could suggest a way that the worlds depicted in Fifth Head\ncould be the same as the destination of the Whorl. Assume that the\narrival of the Whorl is a considerable time after the events depicted in\nFifth Head. Suppose that in the interval, the inhumi (the\nshape-shifters) absorbed all the humans on Blue and Green. That would\naccount for Quetzal's ability to mimick humans so well, and his\nknowledge of human culture, and for the absence of indigenous humans on\nBlue. In fact, Quetzal is probably pretty confused about what he is, if\nhe's one of the shape shifters described in Fifth Head...\n\nThis is one of the questions that will be asked of Mr. Wolfe, so we'll\nsee. (Then again, maybe we won't!)\n\nRock"
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          "text": "=============================================================================\n            Peter T. Cash -- Documentation Systems Development\n   \t             Hewlett-Packard, Convex Division, \n\t\t P.O.Box 833851 Richardson, TX 75083-3851\n     voice: (214) 497-4389 - FAX: (214) 497-4500 - cash at rsn.hp.com"
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    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0007-0505@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alastair Reynolds",
        "address": "a.reynolds at fys.ruu.nl"
      },
      "date": "1997-07-03T08:11:21+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (whorl) Blue & Green same as worlds in Fifth Head of Cerberus?",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0006-0502@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "[Posted from WHORL, the mailing list for Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun]\n\nDavid Langford wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "...Like I suspect many readers, my reaction\nwhen we learn that Whorl has arrived at what appears to the\nsame double-planet system as featured in The Fifth Head of Cerberus..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Actually, I could suggest a way that the worlds depicted in Fifth Head\ncould be the same as the destination of the Whorl. Assume that the\narrival of the Whorl is a considerable time after the events depicted in\nFifth Head. Suppose that in the interval, the inhumi (the\nshape-shifters) absorbed all the humans on Blue and Green. That would\naccount for Quetzal's ability to mimick humans so well, and his\nknowledge of human culture, and for the absence of indigenous humans on\nBlue. In fact, Quetzal is probably pretty confused about what he is, if\nhe's one of the shape shifters described in Fifth Head..."
        },
        {
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          "text": "Have to 'fess up and admit I wrote the above, not DL - but I agree that\nthe only way it'd make sense is if the chronology's as you suggest\nabove.\n\nal"
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