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  "thread": {
    "id": 389,
    "subject": "Pike at Sea",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "1997-07-02T21:56:00+00:00",
    "last": "1997-07-02T21:56:00+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0006-0503@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "m.driussi",
        "address": "m.driussi at genie.com"
      },
      "date": "1997-07-02T21:56:00+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Pike at Sea",
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          "text": "Reply:  Item #0023002 from WHORL at LISTS.BEST.COM@INET03#\n\nvizcacha,\n\nAnother hint re: Blood's father is when Marble/Rose is talking to\nSilk about Mint: \"Mint . . . was so shy that she ran from you . . .\nMaybe she guessed what happened to me long ago.  I've sometimes\nthought that, and you were young and good-looking, as you still are\"\n(III, chap. 10, around same area of your quote).  This deftly\nexplains Rose's crazy paranoia regarding Silk and . . . Marble?  (I\nwas going to write \"Mint,\" but Mint never was alone with Silk, and\nRose's paranoia was \"crazy\" because she seemed to fear carnal\nrelations between bio and chem.)\n\nHowever, this adds more bewilderment . . . how could Pike =not= have\nknown?  He =must= have known that he had experienced carnal relations\nwith a woman, unless we imagine inhumi succubi/incubi acting as\npollinators--and this succubus/incubus notion is shot down by the\nfact that Rose =knows= who the father is (unless we go further and\nallow the s/i to physically mimic their victim's love-object).\n\nAll of which gets very tricky.  But it removes the initial duplicity\nfrom Rose (later duplicity being the hiding of the pregnancy).\n\n(Note the paradox: Pike's naughty nookie, while creating manteion's\nnemesis Blood, may have also flipped the orgone switch that allowed\nKypris to contact Pike and promise Silk, the manteion's savoir and\nPike's \"spiritual son.\"  We are repeatedly told that Pike was\nsacrificing a rabbit, critter of comely Kypris, when he got the buzz\nabout Silk.)\n\nIf we allow more mendacity for the maytera, then we can imagine her\ndisguising herself, so that while Pike knows he has been with a\nwoman, he thinks her to be something other than a sibyl (a\nprostitute, for example--recall Orchid's casual attitude toward\nSilk's libido, and guards catching Silk in Hyacinth's room before\nthat), and certainly not a sibyl from his own manteion.  Thus she\nknows and he doesn't.  \"Pasiphae in the wooden cow (resulting in\nMinotaur),\" as it were.\n\nOr, to turn the tables a bit, make Pike the temporary predator and\nRose the victim who then covers up the moral lapse of a night or\nmaybe several by hiding the consequences from Pike while still\nliving in such close proximity.  In this case, Pike knows that he\nwas with Rose, the only thing he doesn't know is that she gave birth\nas a result.\n\nTo aid the miraculous birth in any event: the gender segregated\nliving quarters.  Silk had never even seen the inside of the cenoby,\nthe sibyl house.  The sibyls always made such a big deal about going\ninto the manse, the patera house (but notice how often they =did=\n<g>).\n\n=mantis="
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