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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 412, "subject": "Peach scarf, scented", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "1997-08-10T04:05:00+00:00", "last": "1997-08-14T08:24:34+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "m.driussi", "address": "m.driussi at genie.com" }, "date": "1997-08-10T04:05:00+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Peach scarf, scented", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hey, alga and Talon (and anybody else who might have been tracking\nthis curious bit of clothing accessory)!\n\nYou will =never= guess where I just stumbled upon a woman's scarf,\npeach colored and scented! (Is this the same one that Silk finds\nafter his convolesence in that fellow's room?)\n\n\n\n\nNo, you will never guess . . .\n\n\n\n\nHere's a hint . . .\n\n\n\n\nIt is in THE BOOK OF THE NEW SUN.\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOkay, here . . .\n\n\n\n\nIt is in THE CLAW OF THE CONCILIATOR.\n\n\n\n\n\nWait! You think I'm making this up!\n\n\nAll right then, it is in the antechamber.\n\nCheck it out!\n\n\n\n=mantis=" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Doug Eigsti", "address": "d.eigsti at worldnet.att.net" }, "date": "1997-08-13T22:12:28+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Peach scarf, scented", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "mantis, et. al.;\n\n I have been lurking in on the \"Tracking Song\" dialog for some time \nand enjoying it immensely. The discussion has prompted memories more \npleasant that when I last read it. Thank you.\n\n\n Re: The Peach Colored scarf. Cool connection, I don't think I \nwould have noticed. I am not sure what it means, but it could be the \nkey to some pervasive symbolism that Wolfe has been planting in his \nwork from the beginning. Or, maybe, he just likes leading us on rabbit \ntrails. \n\n I have a question from \"Seven American Nights\". Strangely enough \nit relates to the perfumed scarf: Can anyone elaborate upon the \n\"shopworn\" theater trick refered to as \"the Peri's asphodel\". It is \nused twice in the story. The first time (page 372 of the pb) while \nNadan is watching the play: \n\nThe one used here is to have John--Ellen's lover--find\"Kreton's \nhandkerchief and, remarking that it seemed perfumed, bury his nose in \nit. For an instant, the shadow wall used at the beginning of the \nsecond act was illuminated again to graphically present Ellen's \ndesire, conveying to the audience that John had, for that moment, \nshared the telepathic abilities of Kreton, whom all had now entirely \nforgotten.\n\n The second (page 397) occurs when Nadan takes a bite of the third \negg and he is trying to rationalize his experience with the monster:\n\nTrue there were bloodstains on my clothes (the Peri's asphodel!) but \nthey could have easily have come from my cheek, which is still sore.\n\n In the first case I can see where the Peri's asphodel might mean \na plot device to tell the audience what is going on inside the \ncharacter's mind. But I cannot seem to reconcile the second case.\n\n\n=Talon=" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "straight at email.unc.edu" }, "date": "1997-08-14T08:24:34+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Peach scarf, scented", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Doug Eigsti wrote:\n I have a question from \"Seven American Nights\". Strangely enough \nit relates to the perfumed scarf: Can anyone elaborate upon the \n\"shopworn\" theater trick refered to as \"the Peri's asphodel\". It is \nused twice in the story. The first time (page 372 of the pb) while \nNadan is watching the play: \n\nThe one used here is to have John--Ellen's lover--find\"Kreton's \nhandkerchief and, remarking that it seemed perfumed, bury his nose in \nit. For an instant, the shadow wall used at the beginning of the \nsecond act was illuminated again to graphically present Ellen's \ndesire, conveying to the audience that John had, for that moment, \nshared the telepathic abilities of Kreton, whom all had now entirely \nforgotten.\n\n The second (page 397) occurs when Nadan takes a bite of the third \negg and he is trying to rationalize his experience with the monster:\n\nTrue there were bloodstains on my clothes (the Peri's asphodel!) but \nthey could have easily have come from my cheek, which is still sore.\n\n In the first case I can see where the Peri's asphodel might mean \na plot device to tell the audience what is going on inside the \ncharacter's mind. But I cannot seem to reconcile the second case." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Perhaps Nadan is simply reflecting that the act of trying to deduce the\npast by looking at his garments reminded him of the \"Peri's asphodel\"\nscene in the play, rather than it being a literal example of the\ntechnique.\n\n-Rostrum" } ] } ] }