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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/489",
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  "archive": "whorl",
  "thread": {
    "id": 489,
    "subject": "Gods",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1998-07-14T01:15:57+00:00",
    "last": "1998-07-15T16:50:34+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0008-0667@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "mary whalen",
        "address": "marewhalen at yahoo.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-07-14T01:15:57+00:00",
      "subject": "Fwd: (whorl) Gods",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "note: forwarded msg attached."
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0008-0669@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "1998-07-15T16:50:34+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: Fwd: (whorl) Gods",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0008-0667@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "depth": 0,
          "text": "On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, prion lots of really nifty background on the names\nWolfe used for the gods of the Whorl, including:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "I think something important may be in an analysis of the Mainframe\ngods' names in relation to their characteristics.\n \nPas:  Greek for all.  Pseudonym Typhon uses.  Typhon or Typhoeus was\neither a giant or a many-headed dragon that breathed fire who defeated\nthe gods and cut out Zeus' muscles until Zeus regained them and buried\nhim under Mt. Etna, or some other volcano or in the region of\nTartaros."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Hmmm.  Typhon the many-headed.  Since the whole point of Typhon grafting\nhis head onto a new body was to preserve his personal identity authority,\nit seems unlikely that he took a new name (\"Typhon\") after becoming\nmany-headed.  So perhaps he got the idea from his name? "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Tartaros:  Not a Greek word.  God of the underworld, or the place\nitself.  Child either of the original Chaos, or of Typhon and Echidna.\n Tartaros was said to be as far below Hades (also named after it's\nmaster) as Hades was below the Earth.  In the Whorld Tartaros is the\ngod of night, crime, and commerce."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "'Tartaros' is not Greek?  Or are you saying it's not the word for anything\nother than the god of the underworld?  Webster's 17th lists 'Tartarus' and\nsays it's from the Greek.\n\nWhen you say \"or of Typhon and Echidna\" do you mean that in Wolfe's story\nhe's their child, or is that also true in Greek myth?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Hierax.  Greek for eagle.  The eagle who tormented Prometheus, by\neating his liver each day, which grew back.  Child of Typhon and\nEchidna, or others.  In the Whorl the god of death, who likes to\ntorment others."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Again, is Hierax the offspring of Typhon and Echidna in Greek myth as\nwell? I had no idea so much of the Whorl mythos came straight from the\nGreek. "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Looking over the list, it seems that about every \"god\" has a serious\nmental problem.  Typhon is monomaniacal, Scylla is egotistic, Hierax\nis sadistic, Sphigx is hyperaggressive, Molpe has fits of insanity,\nThelxiepeia was probably a drug addict and poisoner, Phaea eats too\nmuch, and Kypris is a nymphomaniac.  Any ideas about the others'\npossible problems?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Tartaros is blind.  Not a mental problem, but a similar theme, perhaps.\nYou'd think Typhon would have used genetic engineering or married better\nbreeding stock to have more perfect children.\n\nI love the bit where Tartaros tells Auk, \"You can't see me because I'm\nblind.\" \n\n-Rostrum"
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
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